Stainless manifolds group buy!

Right guys Ive got time to pop back on the forum :)

OK.... to put some more detail into the topic of conversation.... So you can see it from my side of the welder :)

Ok Ive quoted £350 per manifold as long as we can get about 5 people interested....

Now to me I dont mind if its a custom job or one that can be duplicated but to warrant my expense and time making a Jig we need to have a confirmed amount of customers. Also we will need to have the Flanges Cut with a CNC water Jet cutter and to make that economical we need to cut the flanges in one go (otherwise the costs spiral)

For a custom One off then I need the car to build it on.

To build a Jig & Why, Actually a number of Jigs will need to be made to allow the sections of the Headers to be produced and then welded up to one piece so all fits and flanges are in the right place. Ive talked about having a car for a period of time, long enough to build/Develop these. The Jigs will allow members to Receive the Headers in the post ready to Fit to there Car. The Jigs dont actually save me any money / time but they will save Micra Club members time for sure as no car will be need to reproduce after the Jig is made.

Now to be honest Ive not gone down this Group buy thing before.... I've just quote the price that the job can be done for.... But there are benefits to having the Jig produced...

This is how Id like to approach this project if you are happy to proceed... First I need gaskets for the different Flanges so these can be drawn up in Cad for the CNC machinist.

Payment... Id like a small deposit from each customer (not now.. but when the green light is on for the flanges to be cut) to cover the cost of the flange's This will be none refundable if you want to pull out.... But you will own a nice Stainless flange or two..to remind you of what your missing out on :)

Full Payment would be required before the Headers were Posted. P&P would be £10 inc VAT

Warranty..... I will give an agreement to look after my customers for the life time they own the car. That means in 10 years time if you find a crack on the headers then you just give me a call and I will solve the problem. No monthly check stamps in the warranty box or any old rubbish like that.. Just a proper service.


Other Info
I stock a full Stainless Steel Flexi Pipe with the high flow smooth I-Lok internals. These were made to my own specs and are what I use on the Race car applications Im involved with.

I also stock our 200 Cell Race flow Cats that we sell to racers in the Stock Hatch Race Series for the 750MC, these will out flow anything any Micra Engine can fire at it (Thats, turbocharged, supercharged or NA)

O2 Sensor Bungs can included if you request

So hope this helps a bit more......

One thing I would ask for for my effort is an Micra Org Members Approval of the Product when completed.

Ok thats enough from me for now

Cheers
Fin

Craig said:
Do you want to stop by mine on the way and pick up a lower mounting alternator Nex?

We should really have a Dyno day after and see how they all go too ;)
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There is a Rolling road just being set up over the road from us @ G&G Motorsport. If we get the header project off the ground then Im sure a Micra Org Dyno day could be organised and I may be tempted to contribute to a couple of Trophy's for the top dogs of the day ( Might even have our 76 Corvette finished for a run:unclesam:)
 
/\.. what he said..

so guys, we basicaly need a group of 5 of us to say YES to the manifolds.... a load of deposits, a set of exhaust gaskets and a car for a week for the manifold "jig" to be made up, once this is done anyone who is wanting one after the group buy can order one directly and pay just £10 postage. anyone wanting a custom exhaust for their specs can still place an order for the flanges with deposit but would need to travel to lincoln to have the fabrication work done..

that about sums it up...

there isnt going to be any way of getting a stainless manifold for the CG13DE engine any where near this price at all..

so come on guys show your appreciation to the man and lets get the ball rolling.

even better having a rolling road just across from the workshop!

opportunities like this dont come too often..
 
so if i was to get the manifold done exactly like the janspeed with a flexi pipe after the down pipe bit and then a straight pipe made up the same size as the janspeed decat how much would that be and its less than 3 hours away for me so i could be up for a rolling road
 
im sure that would be £350 and a little bit more for a decat pipe..

Fin would be better to ask than me.
 
i would want a flexi pipe put there inside the red circle unless i buy the nismo engine bushing mounts off matt
micra_maniedited.jpg


and then a pipe made up just like this to fit to my cat back and the manifold
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will that be possible
 
I can't commit to a manifold as the engine is destined for a tighter engine bay and may not fit.

However I will commit to a flange if that helps, subject to confirmation of the price. As he says once the water-jet cutter is set up you might as well cut plenty of them.

This is a nice flange (no jokes please) manifold looks good too, is there any advantage to the cut stud holes?

http://www.micra.com.au/images/technical-articles/hurricaneextractors1.jpg

So a price for a manifold flange for me please

Thanks
 
Regarding the Flexi......

If your having a stainless steel Manifolds on a FWD car you NEED a flexi - Even if you solid mount the engine with IRON BAR


The cuts to the bolt hole are one way to stop expansion of the flange sheering off the bolt heads another way is to have slightly larger holes one the outside edge of the flange
 
right, i will say it again. i am interested but i cannot say for def unless i have a job lined up. if i get work soon i will 100% be up for this for a normal jan speed style headers as well as a turbo manni.

someone else will have to provide the gaskets as i don't have any.

i don't mind loaning the cabriolet, but i need to know it will be looked after, also at the moment i cannot afford to drive it up there and get a train back or anything, so either if someone can drive it for me, or give me a lift back, or if people can put some cash towards petrol, what ever then i will be fine with that

also Ant, i would have to borrow that turbo i assume to get the manifold made up. i would probably want the turbo after that but again as i have said its down to if i have a job and money.
 
yeah no probs nex. like i said its all about the number of people.

if we say YES with 5 or more people then we just need to get the ball rolling guys.
 
Antony said:
yeah no probs nex. like i said its all about the number of people.

if we say YES with 5 or more people then we just need to get the ball rolling guys.
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well i dunno i think i would still get one made up just for me, and maybe get a jig made up for me, then yall would have to come to me MUHAHAHA but yea
 
I should have a gasket knocking about - however - it is in two pairs IIRC so this will need to be considered.

Ant, I will PM you what my mind has been thinking for a while.

FinUK - what kind of time until delivery are we looking at here?

Craig
 
At the moment Im flat out at the workshop...( Soddin great 4x4 Limo half on the ramp at the moment, which looks a bit funny sticking out the workshop door)

I will get the quote for the flanges on Friday as Ive some others to have cut at the same time....

I will need to book a week & a bit of time for the project

So depending on the Profile cutting and when everything comes together we could have this done with in a month

Postal Address for gaskets.

Dynoflow UK
Unit 17 Lyndon Business Park
Farrier Rd
Lincoln
LN6 3RU

Im going to need a common manifold Flange
Any Turbo Flange Gasket
The 2 bolt collector exhaust flange

IF you want De Cat Pipes then I see no reason why not... Or if you want a Hi Flow race cat as we sell into the Stock Hatch race series then again its not a problem

I will have a moment of time this Friday to look through all the posts and see where we are and hopefully come back to you with a quote for the flanges

Cheers
Fin

Can some one measure the Exhaust Port size for me please
 
I would be interested in a hi flow cat. A decat pipe would always come in handy though too :)

Come on peeps BUMPETY BUMP is there no one else interested?!

I would also like to add i would be prepared to have my car be used as the guinea pig (or donor whatever the term is lol) BUT i am unsure as to the compatability of my stock exhaust (there is no second cat, iirc its a longer mid section but with a bigger silencer i place of it) or the car itself with it being the frenchy facelift. Also i have 2 lambda sensors, 93-00 k11s only have one dont they?
 
i just had a custom exhaust done by aero exhaust and he is good
 

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there are plenty of places around the uk that do exhaust work, but nowhere this central, nowhere this good and nowhere this cheap. nor is there anywhere that is willing to do a group buy for a micra, using tig welded stainless, to our own specs and has a roling road not 200yrds from their front door....

this is a 1 off opportunity for people to throw away that tatty old rusty knakered janspeed manifold and have something that will in all honesty, probebly out last the car!
 
well like i said before im defo in for one come on people get your names down who do we have so far
1.me ken
2.ant
3.robb
4.nex possibly

who else guys come on this is better than having to buy a janspeed every 2 year after it has rotted away
 
Robb said:
I would be interested in a hi flow cat. A decat pipe would always come in handy though too :)

Come on peeps BUMPETY BUMP is there no one else interested?!

I would also like to add i would be prepared to have my car be used as the guinea pig (or donor whatever the term is lol) BUT i am unsure as to the compatability of my stock exhaust (there is no second cat, iirc its a longer mid section but with a bigger silencer i place of it) or the car itself with it being the frenchy facelift. Also i have 2 lambda sensors, 93-00 k11s only have one dont they?
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ah thats a good point, i am not sure if my March has a second Cat either, does anyone know if its going to be an issue? i will have a check on my cars and see how the exhausts differ, but we may find that the exhausts won't fit every car.
 
well so far we know that the janspeed manifold fits a prefacelift a facelift and the 2nd facelift but brings the engine manigement light on on the 2nd facelift so it will be a case of finding out if it fits a march mate as if the bumpers are smaller then the manifolds might be differant so best off taking the manifold off ya march check it against a standard uk one apart from that mate its not a isue as on the 2nd facelift its just a box made to look like a cat but is used for a silencer so might be the same mate
 
jim_bling said:
well so far we know that the janspeed manifold fits a prefacelift a facelift and the 2nd facelift but brings the engine manigement light on on the 2nd facelift so it will be a case of finding out if it fits a march mate as if the bumpers are smaller then the manifolds might be differant so best off taking the manifold off ya march check it against a standard uk one
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it wouldn't be so straight forward to take the manifold off and compare it, but i know front end wise it is the same, bumper distance and cross member etc

i am just wondering about the rest of the exhaust system and how that meets up
 
ah right well get under the car mate see if its a second cat or not but im sure that it will be the same if its a cat or if its just a box mate
 
any word nex mate

BUMP

come on guys we have 4 people so far we only need one more for it to be a defo group buy this is well worth paying that little bit more than buying the janspeed one the stainless steel one will out last the car and it means you wont have to shell out 200 ish pound every time your janspeed rots away
 
Like i say im happy to go up as i would prob. go the whole hog and have a high flow cat and cat back system to suit (i'll prob get a cheap prefacelift bumper to swap to make sure it lines up just right too, also iirc get another bung for the second facelift's second lambda) and may as well dyno it too (Y)

As we cant afford mistakes i think there will be only be two possibilities (correct me if im wrong, i know little about the process of exhaust fabrication);

I go up with a stock 93-00 system so the guys at dynoflow should have all they need to play with.

Someone else with a 93-00 micra with aircon lends their car as it is (simples eh).

Some sort of combo of either or both of the above with some sort of third option lol :D

Like i say i little about the process so suggestions a welcome peeps.
 
Sorry Ive not been on for a few days... Been working too many hours.

Im going to be having a few items CNC cut in the next week, so its an ideal time to get the ball rolling with this project...

Ive said £350 for the manifold so if we say £50 as a deposit / payment for the flanges to be cut would that be ok for you guys.

I do need to ask one question before we do anything.... And its something I should of asked from the start.....fwn

What size are the primary tubes?

I'll be back on later tonight..
 
jim_bling said:
any word nex mate

BUMP

come on guys we have 4 people so far we only need one more for it to be a defo group buy this is well worth paying that little bit more than buying the janspeed one the stainless steel one will out last the car and it means you wont have to shell out 200 ish pound every time your janspeed rots away
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gotta drop out i'm afraid, just lost my job today so i may have to sell the car.
 
Pugboxter said:
I can't commit to a manifold as the engine is destined for a tighter engine bay and may not fit.

However I will commit to a flange if that helps, subject to confirmation of the price. As he says once the water-jet cutter is set up you might as well cut plenty of them.

This is a nice flange (no jokes please) manifold looks good too, is there any advantage to the cut stud holes?

http://www.micra.com.au/images/technical-articles/hurricaneextractors1.jpg

So a price for a manifold flange for me please

Thanks
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drop me a pm with exactly after, can it be mild steel?
 
thanks guys, maybe i will get a job in the next month or two and it will all be back on ;)
 
you know what.... sometimes i dont know why i bother trying to get stuff for the MSC.

i tried a k-sport group buy with a massive discount.......not a sausage.
then i tried this, something that people are crying out for "where can i get a decent exhaust for my car" "how can i make my car faster" "whats the biggest BHP gain on my car" "my janspeed doesnt sound righ how can i improve it" "my exhaust has rotted away what can i do to stop it" etc etc etc etc.......

and yet again, we have no takers.....

i have been talking to a few companies regarding group buys on VW polo Show cages (like jim blings cage) for one and a company that specialises in silicone hoses to replicate the SFS kit that matt does. but i dont think i will bother now.

im not bitter but i can think of other things to do with my time than contacting companies like this only to be told that out of the thousands of members we have one here......... 5people dopnt want to have a cheap stainless manifold.

maybe later in the year.....
 
Antony said:
you know what.... sometimes i dont know why i bother trying to get stuff for the MSC.
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No offence mate but that's a bit out of order. Some people might not be interested in making their Micra breathe easier or go faster, and some people may not have the money - we are in a recession after all.
I would be interested but I can't really afford to spend £350 on such a frivolous item for my car - I've already spent too much of my savings buying parts for it - and I have a mortgage, amongst others I assume on the MSC, to pay.

It may be better if you did try later in the year.

I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, but I really think this forum is too hostile sometimes.
 
if you met me and spoke to me in person, you would know i didnt mean that to come across in the way it was typed.

im just disheartened sometimes by the lack of action this forum seams to get. you know what i mean? you only have to type in "group buy" on google and the saxo forum comes up, 106 forum, rs owners club, honda vtec owners club etc etc etc. all of these guys have group buys virtualy every week..

just makes me a little bit sad.



thank you. well at least its not completely dead in the water.

so we will have pre-facelift non A/C, facelift non-A/C and facelift with A/C should be able to get a universal manifold made up out of that lot...
 
err face lift face lift lol but even if i get the second lamba sensor put in my engine manigement light will still come on so if you can make it just like the facelift one with a/c or without a/c for me eithway not fussed just as long as its a stainless one and i get rid of this slowly rotting janspeed
 
Antony said:
im just disheartened sometimes by the lack of action this forum seams to get....
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what do you expect - alot of the members here are 17/18/19 and paying big money for insurance, which would probably double if they told their insurance they'd fitted a performance exhaust manifold....

alot of people get micras as first cars because theyre reasonably cheap and reliable, not because they want to build some super-car eating track weapon...



and, like others have said, i'd happily buy a s/s mani tomorrow, as long as someone else agreed to pay all my bills for that month...
 
Antony said:
you know what.... sometimes i dont know why i bother trying to get stuff for the MSC.
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sorry Ant, i would have one 100% if only i hadn't just lost my job, there is no way i can justify it otherwise i would be having 2 manifolds.
 
Hyundai said:
£350 is a bit hardcore for a Manifold for the Nissan Micra..
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Not really, why does the car make a difference, still good workmanship that will last forever, which it why i spend over £500 on my stainless system, its worth it, i'mjust lucky i got an ss manifold decond hand.
 
Guys....Just read some of the above posts

Times are hard at the moment for everyone, And Im sorry to see NeX loose his Job.

And yes a Stainless Steel manifold isnt on everyone's 'must do list'. So best not to get worked up about it, what will be will be.

Im happy to make one off Manifolds on the Cars them selves for the Same Money so no need to worry about making the 5. That was just to make it worth while building the Jig up.

Making them as one offs on the cars .... ONE THING IS FOR SURE YOU WILL KNOW THEY FIT 100% right each time ;-)

I'll check back in tonight and see whats cooking

Cheers
Fin
 
moddedmicra said:
Not really, why does the car make a difference, still good workmanship that will last forever, which it why i spend over £500 on my stainless system, its worth it, i'mjust lucky i got an ss manifold decond hand.
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Taking in account the average age of the forum, the circumstances such young people encounter; such as insurance, recession (Nex is a victim of this). £350 for a Manifold is very hard core. It's nice you've paid £500 for a good exhaust system, but you cannot represent everyone on this forum.
 
Hyundai said:
Taking in account the average age of the forum, the circumstances such young people encounter; such as insurance, recession (Nex is a victim of this). £350 for a Manifold is very hard core. It's nice you've paid £500 for a good exhaust system, but you cannot represent everyone on this forum.
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No its not hardcore! I'm not saying people should by these, but it is not expensive for what it is!!! If you can find someone to make a stainless mani of the same quality for less then be my guest!
 
FINuk, thanks man, £350 is a large amount of money for anyone to pay outrite, which is why we dont get many fast road micras as the 106 and saxo guys can get a stainless raceland manifold cheaper than we can get a mild steel janspeed one. but the nearest equivalent is over £650!


Nex, this wasnt pointed towards you in anyway, afterall i lost my job in november. so i know about hard times.

agreed the age on the forum is a factor. but not everyone on here is 17-18-19. its not a small club. there could well be anough people on here that would say, "sod it, ill flog my janspeed to one of the less well off members and buy myself a stainless manifold"

i dont know... well at least if anyone does want one doing we know where we can go to get them done....
 

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