Porks bike carbs and boost project

[pork]

Why thank you good sir

 

[MicrAde]

Working all day and working on car non stop since Saturday is killing me! So tired, but it's gotta be done.

Been working in engine bay sorting out fueling system with new swirl pot I made, and wiring up O2 sensor and gauge cluster pod better than before

Bloody hell Neil, that is looking 'full on epic!' All that hard work is paying off

 

[pork]

Cheers mate, boss is away so sneaked in the micra to the workshop for the week, beings its pissing down all the time,
Plan is get everything else done in bay, then put all effort into engine rebuild after.
Then by rights, should slot straight in

 

[SirChris]

yayyyyyy slot right in... you know thats bollox though mate... never that simple haha

 

[pork]

Haha true!

 

[SirChris]

Haha true!

my first reaction was....."PPPPPPPFFFffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff LOL" Sounded better in my head

 

[l_jonez]

looking good, you've done well to get everything into the corner.

 

[Noddie]

Bright coloured bay is looking so good!!! Love it!

 

[pork]

Thanks everyone.

Should pick up some bends tomorrow, and bloke over road is making some flanges, so can start turbo manifold soon too

 

[pork]

So started manifold today

 

[SirChris]

good man

 

[pork]

Still waiting on flanges to finish off, quite happy with it so far

 

[Token]

more pictures!! this is going to be sweeeeeeeeeeet

 

[pork]

Free airline fittings ftw!!

Made up vacuum/boost manifold for brakes, fuel regulator, BOV, vac advance on dizzy, and there's a flow regulator fitting to calm down erratic boost gauge, then there's 4 lines going to each one off the carbs

Also flanges came today, but no gas so can't weld it on

 

[pork]

Could a metro turbo dizzy be made to work?

I take it they advance on vacuum, and retard on boost!?

 

[pork]

Or does anyone know how the renault 5 gtt advanced electronic ignition systems works?

 

[MicrAde]

Could a metro turbo dizzy be made to work?
Or does anyone know how the renault 5 gtt advanced electronic ignition systems works?

Don't forget this is a micra forum Neil

 

[MicrAde]

Cracking bit of plumbing btw

 

[pork]

Haha, spose so, but it's for the micra so it countd

 

[MicrAde]

Haha, spose so, but it's for the micra so it countd

Ha ha, didn't mean it like that mate, I meant the likelihood of people knowing the answer to your query!

 

[h701micra]

Been reading up then. Me too
The metro dizzy can work but its a pain I believe to literally getting it in. Other than it seems straight forward enough
No idea on the renault system but its likely to be fairly simple? As wiring goes anyway

Ive heard of ways to modify existing dizzys... on the turbo mini route? Not perfect but they'll get you going

 

[MicrAde]

I think I bookmarked an article on modifying the dizzy..........gimme 10 and I'll see if I can find the link

 

[Dougyledds]

Working all day and working on car non stop since Saturday is killing me! So tired, but it's gotta be done.

Been working in engine bay sorting out fueling system with new swirl pot I made, and wiring up O2 sensor and gauge cluster pod better than before

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Looking sweet mate! keeping the wheels silver or coding anything?

 

[MicrAde]

Found it If your dizzy is owt like this you are gonna love me Theoretically it should be similar, vacuum advance and centrifugal mechanical advance
http://www.gemswa.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5476

 

[MicrAde]

Looks pretty simple according to that eh

 

[pork]

Cool !! Il have a proper read thru it later

Also been reading about dual vac dizzys, I think from early saabs

 

[MicrAde]

Cool !! Il have a proper read thru it later

Also been reading about dual vac dizzys, I think from early saabs

Would that be 2 stages of vac advance for a dual vac dizzy or is it infact an advance/retard system?

 

[h701micra]

Legendary link
Also pork... an electronic dizzy from say a ga16... would be a perfect cheap option? They are almost the same as those metro turbo dizzys... except japanese and cheaper I forgot the ga16 has a vvc action or similar so ignition timing has to change with the cam timing... I think what I wrote is what I meant
Dual vac dizzys do work but they aint worth your time from what I've read

 

[Belly93]

Never thought about coilpack style ignition system?

 

[pork]

I think it's both

 

[MicrAde]

I think it's both

That could be the ideal thing then eh?

 

[pork]

Never thought about coilpack style ignition system?

Yeah, but I'd have to run mega jolt or something similar

 

[Belly93]

I see

 

[l_jonez]

Yeah, but I'd have to run mega jolt or something similar

It's worth every penny tho

 

[pork]

I guess so. How much is it?

 

[h701micra]

All depends on what you want

Try that link:
http://trigger-wheels.com/store/contents/en-uk/d59.html

Info on what you'll need I found here:
http://www.autosportlabs.net/MJLJ_V4_vehicle_installation_guide

 

[l_jonez]

I build mine for 150 quid 6 years ago but since then the price of the parts have gone up now that their in demand. I would have thought that it should be doable for under £200.

Which does sound a lot but once you go mappable ignition you won't go back.

 

[pork]

Been looking at megajolt kits, buts its working out to be over £350 !

Seen this tho, far as I can tell, u use this with another component, lock the dizzy and give it a manifold pressure signal...job done!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Aldon-Amethyst-Mappable-Ignition-System-/200881147957

 

[mas12555]

What about an ECU from the very late K10s they have electronic ignition and I read up somewhere that you can fit piggyback ECU's to them.

 

[l_jonez]

Been looking at megajolt kits, buts its working out to be over £350!

Megajolt ecu is about 130
Trigger wheel 20
Ford bits from a scap yard should be less than 50

Places that sell the kits tend to really hike the prices up.

 

[pork]

You had any or know anyone who's played about with these?

Aldon amethyst 3d ignition?, £180 new, no need for trigger wheel, runs thru the dizzy, just plumb vac pipe into it

 

[h701micra]

I cant see it being that effective... if it works through the dizzy itself. Then its still limited by what the dizzy can mechanically do.
It cant control mechanical timing either only the vacuum. Just means you get earlier advance through vacuum.... good for high hp na setups but not our turbo projects. Still have to limit our dizzy mechanically somehow

I think I make sense :S

 

[pork]

Going on what the website says, you lock the dizzy with what ever advance you want, then with the vac/boost line installed to it, with the preloaded maps, it can retard the ignition whilst on boost, anything up to 1 bar

 

[MicrAde]

I cant see it being that effective... if it works through the dizzy itself. Then its still limited by what the dizzy can mechanically do.
It cant control mechanical timing either only the vacuum. Just means you get earlier advance through vacuum.... good for high hp na setups but not our turbo projects. Still have to limit our dizzy mechanically somehow

I think I make sense :S

Actually it may be worth further investigation because if you read the ad it does say that there are 3 versions available, including one for forced induction

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[pork]

I like the idea of it thru the simplicity of it all, plus it's cheap

 

[h701micra]

Ahh I didnt see that bit
Do we know anymore about the forced induction one?
I'm still thinking about that mechanical part of it though

 

[MicrAde]

I like the idea of it thru the simplicity of it all, plus it's cheap

Cheap and simple is good but when have you ever done owt simple Neil?

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[pork]

Jump in at the deep end and learn to swim that way, how iv always been taught to do stuff

 

[MicrAde]

If you want really cheap and simple then get a spare dizzy and strip it down and have a play, see if it's possible to mod it like in the thread I linked

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[pork]

I've still got my ma10 dizzy to play about with, still gotta actually make it fit to the cg13 head too