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Slim
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is it actually a HID kit, or just tinted zenon bulbs? How much does it cost, and where do you get it from? Because i'm really after a decent lighting upgrade for my toyota.
James
Chairman
Yeah it is, you can get the conversion kits off ebay and the like. They aren't cheap, mind.
http://search.ebay.co.uk/hid-conversion-kit_W0QQfromZR40
http://search.ebay.co.uk/hid-conversion-kit_W0QQfromZR40
MA12:) said:
I hate when people say these things.. Course It can be used.. its just illegal.. but then again ive just driven home from work.. I was probably illegal a lot of the way home on the 60mph duel carrageway..
If you can give rise to enough reasonable doubt that you didn't know :
"HID can only be used when in conjunction with a self leveling lighting set up"
You will almost certainly get away with it.. I drove my car without side indicators for almost a year.. and I got pulled over 3 times in that time..
2x for Random checks and once for my tinted windows to be checked..
(... I was in one of the most modified micras in the club)
And I was never questioned about my lack of side indicators..
Pete
Site Supporter
The officers probably didn't notice, blind a traffic car one nite and they may think, 'rite lets have a look at this'.
If your car isn't legal it shouldn't be used, you'll only have third party cover from your insurance, your vehicle 'could' be taken off you or 'recovering an unroadworthy vehicle' as a few like to call it. Really you shouldn't use have anything on your car that isn't E-approved but no-ones going to look that closely. But then again it just depends how bad a mood the copper is.
If your car isn't legal it shouldn't be used, you'll only have third party cover from your insurance, your vehicle 'could' be taken off you or 'recovering an unroadworthy vehicle' as a few like to call it. Really you shouldn't use have anything on your car that isn't E-approved but no-ones going to look that closely. But then again it just depends how bad a mood the copper is.
RaptorRVL
Ex. Club Member
Well, that's the whole thing isn't it. Nobody is going to have a look at it until something happens. And I guess once the insurance finds out there is something not totally legal with the car they ain't paying. Although that can get quite complicated in some cases.
But! That's the responsibility of the owner of the car.
I like the lights, perhaps I should try and find a conversion kit around here too
But! That's the responsibility of the owner of the car.
I like the lights, perhaps I should try and find a conversion kit around here too
Pete
Site Supporter
RaptorRVL said:
Ahhh that's a common misconception, insurance firms are legally obliged to cover you third party because they have said they trust you that your car is road worthy. What they won't do is cover the cost of your vehicle and they may well try to claim back their third party costs but you are covered. You will only be done for not being insured if you don't actually have insurance, for you for that vehicle (obv except blanket policies etc...)
I would like to see an e-approved HID kit fora K10 but it's unlikely, it'd probably cost thousands to develop and have to be fitted by an approved source etc. If you look through all the racing suppliers catalogues, even HID kits for popular Rally cars state that they are for off road use only, blaa dee blaa...
Not that i'll have room for the K10 much longer, I need to start looking for a good home for it. :'-(
MA12:) said:
true.. But isn't that any car that has had some minor welding or some bodywork blending..95% of Bodykits arn't E-approved yet many companies advertise themselves as suppliers and fitters.. Halfords???
Insurence companies even specialise in modified cars..
I understand the what you are trying to get across.. We dont want illegal cars on the roads...
Yet if sombody crashed into me with a gorgious kitted up car, bad boy bonnet, vents, smooth boot etc..... Hardly E-approved I wouldn't blame hes blatantly illigal car for the crash....
The point im trying to make is where the 'grey' areas are with respect to 'roadworthyness' and insurence are.... this is surely where most modified cars lie.. no matter how subtly/drasticly or poorly/professionally they are modified..
Sorry to be a noob, BUT:
Asside from all the legal-dodging-discussions going on here..it sounds like you don't care if you dazzle other road-users..?
Self-leveling with HID is for safety...not to rip anyone off!
Have you ever been dazzed? (temporary blindness).
and worse still: Have you ever been dazzled while in control of a moving car <what speed?> (soon to be loss of control).
if you operate dazzling headlamps deliberately; you should be banned in my oppinion.
I dont think the MSC would condone this either?
after all the whole point of mobile HID is to improve visibility and safety not to cause an 'accident'/'on purpose'/'don't-care'
MSC: any response?
Asside from all the legal-dodging-discussions going on here..it sounds like you don't care if you dazzle other road-users..?
Self-leveling with HID is for safety...not to rip anyone off!
Have you ever been dazzed? (temporary blindness).
and worse still: Have you ever been dazzled while in control of a moving car <what speed?> (soon to be loss of control).
if you operate dazzling headlamps deliberately; you should be banned in my oppinion.
I dont think the MSC would condone this either?
after all the whole point of mobile HID is to improve visibility and safety not to cause an 'accident'/'on purpose'/'don't-care'
MSC: any response?
Antony
Ex. Club Member
kristian said:
that statement is unfair and untrue... all halfords fitters and ripspeed employees are fully IMI certified in Vehicle electronics and in some cases (like mine) have C and G level 3 motorvehicle qualifications.
please dont make sweeping slanderous staments like this..
also.
hid lights supplied bu a company called "ultra" are fully e-marked and can be used in conjunction with all current models of standard headlights and lenses..
RaptorRVL
Ex. Club Member
Hmm, I don't really see anything in this topic that people try to dazzle others on purpose.
It's all down to how it's set up (surely autoleveling is the safest bet things are ok).
I'd rather have a proper setup HID car (with or without auto-level, I dont care) coming my way than a e.g. badly setup halogen bulb blinding my sights.
No need to start banning people right away I'd say
Take note, in lot's of countries there is no law at all for auto-leveling.
Hell, here in Holland all the cars made before 2007 can get a conversion without any troubles (completely legal, if setup that they don't blind other cars since that's illegal lol) and all cars after 2007 are only allowed to have HID with auto-leveling system installed.
Now I don't know UK laws, but I can imagine something similar. Although "your" insurance policy seems more harsh than the dutch policy. So perhaps regulations about headlights is different too...
RaptorRVL said:I'd rather have a proper setup HID car (with or without auto-level, I dont care) coming my way than a e.g. badly setup halogen bulb blinding my sights.
No need to start banning people right away I'd say
Yes, agreed. .. I wanted to provoke some thoughts on safety though.
I guess badly designed or un-approved (cowboy?) headlamp kits (and/or removed side repeaers for that matter) can be a significant contribution to road traffic acicdents, and I think it is fair that insurers should be strict about this, at any time, either before or (got forbid. after) an RTA.
Does the self levelling really work anyway ? how many times have you been dazzled in you rear view by a so called prestige car with HID and s/l lights, most of them look like they are flashing their hi beam on and off most of the time anyway, the s/l system cant compensate fast enough for the crap British road surfaces so I cant see the problem personally with fitting HID, besides that there are loads of vehicles on the road with conventional lights that are so badly adjusted that they dazzle badly anyway, I would have thought that the bizzies would have cleared that problem up if it were such a problem.
sonic said:
auto leveling works with towing and hillclimb.. its NOT quick enough to react to undulations in the road which is why ^^this happens^^..
I refer to this as 'punto' syndrome... They are terrible for it.. I always think im getting flashed...
If you have your headlights setup correctly then you will STILL dazzle people when going over a hump back bridge whether you have normal, or HID lamps with auto leveling or not.. but there is nothing anyone can do...
Just setup your lights so that normal road and motorway driving has your lights positioned correctly on the road ahead.. HID or not...
antony_aiken said:
What on earth has this got to do with my statement..
sweeping slanderous statments? what????!?!?!?!?!?!?
I pointed out that companies advertise themselves as sellers and fitters of non E-approved bodykits... and that perhaps halfords was one..
read my post properly. all my points still stand
Antony
Ex. Club Member
but you vitaly missed out the word perhaps.... sorry if i mistook your intentions, but i stand by my post. halfords wont even sell washer jet led's as they are non EU aproved and are illegal.... we will not sell no eu products and all of our bodykit fitters are fuly trained (in garage and ripspeed X stores such as sheffield and gateshead)
sorry if i messed up the post, but hid lights are not illegal if you buy the correct ones. you just need to speak to someone who knows......like me<<
sorry if i messed up the post, but hid lights are not illegal if you buy the correct ones. you just need to speak to someone who knows......like me<<
pietro
Ex. Club Member
If you want beter lights I would go for H4 Silverstars by Osram, they must be 50% brighter than standerd Micra setup... see: http://www.powerbulbs.co.uk/
The only other easy solution for even more light (not street legal) is Philips Rally H4 90/100W rally bulbs.
The only other easy solution for even more light (not street legal) is Philips Rally H4 90/100W rally bulbs.
Alienfish360
Awesome Dawson
antony_aiken said:
All washer jet LED's are illegal unless white, and they may even be considered illegal still as a distraction to other road users.
