police

[Pete]

nice editing whoever has done it...

(obviously I was writing at the same time as Andrew, my post is a slightly heated one towards rlees.)

Of course it's not illegal, it's illegal to drive around with an unroadworthy car, you'll get a chance to make it roadworthy, if you don't heed that chance then it's tough luck. Why should we have to keep wasting our time slapping peoples wrists about having unroadworthy cars. Hopefully it makes people think twice.

Here in south yorks the car crushing is fairly rare, but we will (and do) opporate a system where we'll warn you, then get caught a second time and your car is impounded, and it costs alot to get it back. But for that to happen you will have had to have been behaving/acting/commiting an offence on at least two separate occaisions. Don't start saying 'oh thats soo unfair etc'. If an officer wanted to you could be charged with an offence and your vehicle 'impounded' as evidence.

Thank you Andrew, people don't see what we do most of the time, people don't tend to understand what policing involves (i didn't until my first day). So to an extent i'm taking most of this on the chin. People will always take a narrow minded approach (even some officers unfortunatly), what can I say, live and let live...

Pete

If that's the case then why do the police have a regular camera spot in Trafford Park (Manchester) ? It is always in the same place, at the same time 1.30pm-2.30pm at least once a week every week, obviously the boys and girls are passing the info on a good 'crime figure solved' site to each other. I'm sure other people here know of other places that are regular haunts for cameras.

What you'll find sonic is the people that man the CCTV vans are actually CCTV support staff or even specialised 'evidence gatherers' like we have at football matches. The police that are with them are on a shift system which is most likely completely out of tune with the regular week so they won't be the same officers week in week out.

 

[jarthur05]

AARRGGHH!!!! NOOOOOO! They have just put up a load of speed camera signs in my village. I think there is a Gatso on the way...they have also been doing a lot of mobile checks lately. They have been hiding the van out of sight on a driveway and the bloke has been leaning around a wall with his gun. They aren't even doing it by the school - it is as you come into the 30 from a 60 going downhill. I wonder why? Not having a dig by the way, just needed to vent my frustration. The bloke behind the thing wasnt a copper - it was a 'safety camera unit'. Ahem. So why not put it by the school where people can see it??

 

[RIK]

erm guys? can we quit it with the police are morons thread please?

Police people are people, we can be wrong, of course we can, an there's always going to be the odd baddun as there is with all organisations/groups. I'm sure we've got a few MSC peeps that are complete...thinks twice about swearing...

Yes i'd admit I was wrong if I was, and I kinda admited to a guy that i might be wrong the other nite, but there were still other things wrong with his car, I warned him about them and told him to go home, next time I see him and he's not put things back to how they should be he's in for it... but that's not the approach every copper makes.

Just don't go round tarring everyone with the same brush.


Pete

when i come across one that is reasonable i will accept your comment untill then i will say .they have nothing better to do

Here in south yorks the car crushing is fairly rare, but we will (and do) opporate a system where we'll warn you, then get caught a second time and your car is impounded, and it costs alot to get it back. But for that to happen you will have had to have been behaving/acting/commiting an offence on at least two separate occaisions. Don't start saying 'oh thats soo unfair etc'. If an officer wanted to you could be charged with an offence and your vehicle 'impounded' as evidence.

one of my best mates had this done to him..is it called a 172 or somthing?

anyway he got caught speeding "racing".fair enough dangerous driving and all that was told if he got caught again in x amount of time he will get the car taken off him and a charge to get it back.

a few days later we was on an industial estate parked up chatting..his girfriend was learning to drive at the time and he let her drive the car round in big circles/figure of eights..very slowly ect...
next minute the police arive.check the cars over (didnt notice my 1.6 conversion not registerd with the dvla because he didnt know his arse from his elbow)..told us to clear off apart from him..the took the car way for this 2nd offence! he wasnt even driving for one and 2 it was on private land and they had no complaints from the owners.

 

[Pete]

ADM 171 and ADM 172 yes rik your right. It allows for the removal of any vehicle the person is in when they are acting/driving/doing something they shouldn't be doing or somewhere where he shouldn't have been, it will have outlined this on the ADM 171 he got when he first got warned. No sympathy i'm afraid.

 

[RIK]

But that's just how i'd do it. I know coppers that don't know what a legal or illegal tint is so they wouldn't say a word ( tho they'd prob ask me). But then again I know officers who would issue a VDRS straight away. But what I want everyone to come away with here is that if your friendly, you'll get a producer and a word in your ear, if your being a so and so (family forum guys) you'll get more, possibly even your car taken off of you and impounded.

you said it yourself..coppers arnt all the same they have different ways of dealing with things..imo they should be like robots and all do the same actions with each offence.your suposed to be fair and this is not

 

[rlees85]

sorry ma12 i disagree with your point on crushing is acceptable, i think if people INSIST on using un-roadworthy cars they should be fined more and more or even have their license taken off them, but taking their property and destroying it is just plain crap.

and your also telling everyone on the forum whose car has a de-cat pipe (for example) that it is acceptable for their car to be crushed...


also i dont mean to sound like im being personal, a lot of the points you've made in this thread i completely agree with, when ive been pulled for speeding (altho i dont often speed anymore to be honest) i just apoligise and be polite and the police officer is normally fine with me!

 

[RIK]

ADM 171 and ADM 172 yes rik your right. It allows for the removal of any vehicle the person is in when they are acting/driving/doing something they shouldn't be doing or somewhere where he shouldn't have been, it will have outlined this on the ADM 171 he got when he first got warned. No sympathy i'm afraid.

so is that for the car or for the driver?..he wasnt driving it and if its for the car why does he have to pay to get it back,why wasnt anything said to his girlfriend,she was driving illegaly not him

 

[59 bhp is more than enough]

i refuse to generalise the police becuase theyre all human at the end of the day. they cant all be the same becuase its impossible so you cant really say all police are morons etc. i think that the police woman found she was wrong and was jsut being awkward however i know quite a few people that dont know the difference between an alloy wheel and a steel one with a wheel trim on. i found that if you act polite and treat a police man/woman with the same respect that you would anyone else they will do the same. i have found that the few traffic police that have pulled me over have been slightly short with me and a bit rude but again you cant generalise becuase everyone is different.

in general if you are not dong anything wrong and ya car is perfectly legal then ya dont have anything to worry about.

 

[Dusk]

Ive been pulled over for no reason plenty of times ask "ricardo swarez", on the first occasion they do the whole "radio-ing in" thing... second and third occasion i just said "Alright pal, can you just give me a producer so i can get on with the rest of my day?" and they say "No, dont worry about it.. your alright - see you later"
Its quite amusing - its a case of asking a small child "NOT to turn on the lightswitch" - because they always do...

 

[NeX]

surely you've got a police station closer than that to you???

yea is says "this police station is normally closed if you have documents to produce please hand them in to chippenham police station" i have never seen the station open!

there are no police within a 10 mile radius of my house! (i live well rural like lol) but everything gets broken into or vandalised except when your hanging out with your mates... then there's coppers everywhere!!!

 

[Alienfish360]

Was his girlfriend an insured driver of the vehicle? Does she have a provisional license? was the car displaying L plates, was he over the age of 21 with a full license for 3 years?

but taking their property and destroying it is just plain crap.

So it's not ok to make people hand in their hand guns and have them melted down? they should just be fined for having them instead.


It's an illegal un-roadworthy vehicle, they have been warned and commited an offence by not removing them, tough, imo

 

[Andrew]

I think crushing the cars is a brilliant idea. From what I understand, the reason that it was brought about was because the people who drive uninsured or unroadworthy cars will just continue to drive the same heap and skip fines if at all possible. They can't repeat the offence if they don't have a car.

There was an episode of Traffic Cops on the BBC where they went around doing it, and it was brilliant. Just seeing someones face when they tell them that the car is going to be squashed into a cube is great. One woman, driving with no licence, tax, MOT or insurance said "Do you think I am made of money?" when she was informed of the charge to get back her car (which was significantly less than tax and MOT for a year). Idiots, everyone of them.

 

[Low Rider]

MAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's made my night!!!!

Classic............what a completely stupid copper............haaaaahaaaaaa!!!

Nice one Mand!!

 

[rlees85]

phil you make a good point about guns. they should be destroyed as they are a weapon designed to kill. so maybe crushing a car is acceptable for when a car is being used in such a way it could kill.

but how can you warrant destroying somebodys £1000-£10,000 possesion JUST becuase it has limo black tints or a de-cat pipe.

if they have been warned, then they should just be banned from driving for abit or something

 

[Ian]

i dont think many would resort to crushing because of a second offense. probably the case of heavy fine + points. Then taking the car away and having to pay a large release fee.

 

[Antony]

please guys, read my post/...... it had nothing to do with the police....it was VOSA saying this, much more power than the police and even more mean... if you have a defect on your car or truck or bus then you cannot move it at all unless you fix it....right there and then...


one guy had a truck full of TV's and was caught running on red diesel, the truck owner had no opperating licence and had been over driving his drivers..... they impounded the truck and all of its contents, left the driver at the side of the road and a week later sold the lot off at an auction for a little over £2000, for about £0.5M worth of gear...

but the best one was when they give you a prohibition notice they actualy hand them to you while your driving and if you decide to drive off, or dont step out of the vehicle they can arrest you there and then and prosecute you for driving whilst (enter law broken here):wow: :wow: :wow:

i think youve got it mildly compared to some.... thank god it was only a copper...

 

[Retepetsir]

In nearly 4 years of driving I've never been pulled, the police seem alright around here.

Then again, I dont act an idiot when driving.....!

 

[Arnold]

Then again, I dont act an idiot when driving.....!

I think it all comes down to that at the end of the day - and i totally agree with andrew when it comes to uninsured, taxed or unworthy cars being crushed. Crushing a car cos it has tints tho seems a bit over the top. Just give them a week to rip them off rather than doing it on the spot.

 

[Skyliner34]

my dad works for VOSA and was involved in a road side check the other day... he pulled over three cars with tints....told them to rip them off there and then or they will get a fine...... get caught with them on again and they will take the car and have it crushed......

I heard about this tints stuff in last weeks Auto Express. They didn't go in depth. But I was wondering, do they pull cars with any type of tint?, or just the really dark tinted cars?

 

[Pete]

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/carlgvowners/vosaroadsidechecks/tintedwindows.htm

for info

 

[Skyliner34]

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/carlgvowners/vosaroadsidechecks/tintedwindows.htm

for info

Thanks for that link

 

[hughes_16v]

when ive been pulled ive never had a problem with them. i got pulled going to chie's to collect a bonnet for my car, basicly because i looked abit lost coming out of the services, they just checked my photocard license and told me to have a pleasent journey

second time i got pulled they seemed nasty but got a call all units respond, lucky really otherwise id of had a instant ban.

also im planning on joining the police force next year or the year after

 

[Retepetsir]

when ive been pulled ive never had a problem with them. i got pulled going to chie's to collect a bonnet for my car, basicly because i looked abit lost coming out of the services, they just checked my photocard license and told me to have a pleasent journey

second time i got pulled they seemed nasty but got a call all units respond, lucky really otherwise id of had a instant ban.

also im planning on joining the police force next year or the year after

A ban for doing what?

 

[wilsonian]

A ban for doing what?

Cutting up Lotus Carltons! PMSL

 

[goldstar0011]

second time i got pulled they seemed nasty but got a call all units respond, lucky really otherwise id of had a instant ban.

Care to elaborate why you would of had the ban?

 

[hughes_16v]

A ban for doing what?

over taking a learner driver on a 30mph road going about 60mph uphill, was completely out of my charater tbh

 

[mike]

This thread is now locked. I stand with pete (MA12) on this one, police are here to do a job which they try to do to the best of their abilities. As with many companies (i.e. Thames Water) they are a easy target as people will pick out their short comings and constantly go on about them.

If Thames Water or the Police disapeared overnight were would you be tomorrow? At the end of the day human emotion plays a part in everything they do and we do. Im guessing everyone here who works gets criticism about their employer everyday from a unhappy customer, but we shrug it off and get on with our jobs. I bet everyone here has had a off day at work as well and may have given below par service.

Instead of blaming organisations, the general public (people as a whole not an individual) should look at themselves (again as a whole) and stop expecting everything for nothing in return.



Mike