MSC vs Saxo Sports Club in '06

Would you be interested in running in a MSC vs SSC event?

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I reckon that similar level tune 1.3s/VTRs will be quite close, but even a mildly tuned VTS will smash most Micras, but let's face it, they should do.
 
im sorry but why is anyone comparing a cg13 to a vts lol

my half modded k11 ''did'' a standard vtr, mod for mod were gonna die lads, if we take our best k11s, theyll take there best vtr/s' and its bye bye and laughing stock msc. im up for a track day but micra only. james could spend a few grand on his 130 brake k11, and it would be the quickest in the uk, but still slower than a vtr/s with the same amount spent on it. theres enough banter/competition within the club without going to these extents

my tuppence

tommo
 
I wander what Ed voted for......*cough*Competitively *cough*

But nah, my mate has a 1.0 Saxo and its slow as f***
 
tommo said:
im sorry but why is anyone comparing a cg13 to a vts lol

my half modded k11 ''did'' a standard vtr, mod for mod were gonna die lads, if we take our best k11s, theyll take there best vtr/s' and its bye bye and laughing stock msc. im up for a track day but micra only. james could spend a few grand on his 130 brake k11, and it would be the quickest in the uk, but still slower than a vtr/s with the same amount spent on it. theres enough banter/competition within the club without going to these extents

my tuppence

tommo
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here here :D
 
tommo said:
im sorry but why is anyone comparing a cg13 to a vts lol

my half modded k11 ''did'' a standard vtr, mod for mod were gonna die lads, if we take our best k11s, theyll take there best vtr/s' and its bye bye and laughing stock msc. im up for a track day but micra only. james could spend a few grand on his 130 brake k11, and it would be the quickest in the uk, but still slower than a vtr/s with the same amount spent on it. theres enough banter/competition within the club without going to these extents

my tuppence

tommo
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I also agree with the above. If we are going down the route of taking on other clubs we should have at least started with something we know is in are league...**Cough***corsa's (any) and Pug's (non GTI of course)****cough****
 
some people including me think a tuned 1.3 k11 in this club next yers will be quiker than a STANDARD vts

and people with coilovers or whiteline kit are not scared either,,wots the big deal? was just a bit of fun
 
im a wimp......actually im wimping out because i know my car wont be able to compete with them until i finished all the mods i want to do.
 
I stand by my statement that a 1.3 Micra would be a good rival to the 1.4 Saxo - same BHP figure as standard as the CG13.
 
well im not going back to the ssc and telling them we wanna take on the 1.4 with 75bhp rather than the vts with 120bhp lol :p

you go lol
 
Im not going to get into the argument on whats faster micra or saxo but I would like to think my modded mini is faster than a standard VTR, but I know it wouldn't be any where near a VTS

Just so you know, this is from fast car's shady stats section:

Saxo VTR Phase 1
bhp 90
0-60 9.3

saxo vts
bhp 120
0-60 7.7

My Mini
bhp 128.9
0-60 8.76 (timed by a stopwatch so probibly not exact at all)

It does have things wrong tho so its just a guide realy eg it states the standard mini cooper as having 113bhp when its 115 and 0-60 they have written 10.2 but its 9.2.
 
RIK said:
some people including me think a tuned 1.3 k11 in this club next yers will be quiker than a STANDARD vts

and people with coilovers or whiteline kit are not scared either,,wots the big deal? was just a bit of fun
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oh aye loads of fun gettin beaten and laughed at lol, tuned k11 would beat a vtr never and i mean NEVER beat a vtS, dont get me wrong im damn proud of my k11, and thoise who know me, know that. but come on lads, its blatently obvious, modded k11 will beat standard vtr, but on the other grubby mitt, a modded 1.2 corsa would beat a standard k11....
 
people in the club are going to get beaten and laughed at if we have a msc only track day,,,,
 
we should be aiming at racing Swits GTi's Starlt SR's and other things like that Jap 1300cc super minis!! not Fin saxos...
 
RIK said:
people in the club are going to get beaten and laughed at if we have a msc only track day,,,,
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wrong

if its msc only itll all be in good humour

ed has said it before that the msc has a low enough rep as it is, let alone gettin slaughtered by a load of saxos, lets face it even the clio lads are diggin there heels in now lol
 
I think this would be a good idea, but i' in two minds now.

Now - I think it would be cool to go against VTR's and Westcoasts etc, but i really doubt we'd win.

It would be a much better day against Micras. At least we could sort out some 'Differences' that are in the club, and it would let others know what there car is cabable of.
Track or strip (Both?) I'm there :)
Titch :kungfu:
 
round a track i think we could have a nice little competetion. at least that puts some driving skill into the equation. i think going a against a bts is a little silly. its like us going against the old civic type r's. Racing the vtr's would be a much closer competition
 
well a standard 1.6 sould always beat a standard 1.3. but when you had corners you had in the car handling abillitys( which is sometimes scrafced for looks) and driver skill. also one thing haveing all that power it's another using it probly. and out of all my mights that have taken the #### out off a micra and i have driving against! they'll have respect for me and my car.

cars that i've earnt respect from.
saxo 1.6 vtr
corsa 1.4gsi
pegout 205 1.9gti
serria corsa
hunydai coupe 1.6/ 2.0l
nova 1.2

just to name a few
well the nova driver belived that when my 1.3 was standard that it had a large engine or some serious mods. also i beat a 2.0l hyundai coupe on 0-60 in the wet with a bad start and even worse tyres. so unlike big body kits, fancy lights and dodgee paints( all added wieght) respect is better earnt buy what you and your car can do.
 
I think if up against a 1.4 Saxo, a 1.3 K11 can easliy beat it.

It would be more intresting with VTR's, but to be fair the 1.4 Saxo should go up against 1.3 K11.

There would be some intresting races between 1.3's and VTR's.
Forget about the VTS though.

It could be intresting between the 160SR and the VTS but I still think the VTS would be quicker.

If this was to happen it would have to be fair,

e.g. 1.2 K10, 1.0K11 Vs. 1.1 Saxo
1.3 K11 Vs. 1.4 Saxo (possibly VTR)
160SR K12 Vs. VTR (possibly VTS)

In each of the three scenario's I think the Micra would be quicker.

But i don't think we can compare any Micra apart from the 160SR(standard/evenly tuned) to a VTS

EDIT: Mmm, but what about the March ST....
 
hughes_16v said:
shall i do a list? it will be slighty bigger than that
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we can all make list's :grinning: only trouble is, backing it up and is there any point to it.

I can oblitorate most things on the road weather it has two wheels or four, but i wouldnt set myself up for defeat.

I wouldnt even consider going up against the saxo boy's unless you have a few big power car's. I presume they will be taking the obligtory turbo's and s-charged saxo's along with them for good measure. Your all gonna be disapointed with the exception of a couple of people top's.

Im addicted to the pod, but i wouldnt consider going up against a car with 30% more power same weight, thats insane.
 
driftworx said:
but i wouldnt consider going up against a car with 30% more power same weight, thats insane.
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dont think that originally (as before the ssc were involved) was the plan, as the comparing was 1.4's and vtr's......but what ya gonna do :)

if it was just up against the 1.4's. The vtr's and vts's would still turn up......and would no doubt like to have a shot at the micras anyway.....so ultimatly the outcome would be the same....micras up against vtr/vts.....
 
Competition cannot happen on a trackday.
You'll end up with LOT's of tears and wrecked cars!
Considering not many people here have ever driven on track. You'll meet the tyre walls very soon ;)

You can either go through the same old boring route and turn it into straight line head-to-head race down SP or hiring out www.bruntingthorpe.com airfield, borrow some timing equipment and drive around there instead. :)

I'll be up for a friendly trackday as I like to see how many cars I can pass with my 1.0l :p
 
well keep me updated and if you lot go down I will bring the car down for a trip I know its not a micra but its not a saxo either!
 
Trung, I agree which is why the sprint day is better, because it can be competitive but one car at a time, with lots of run off space..
 
if it was a sprint i would be more up for racing, not on a round a track though. Even though i feel very confident with my car a wouldn't want to risk it round a track
 
welly said:
cars that i've earnt respect from.
saxo 1.6 vtr
corsa 1.4gsi
pegout 205 1.9gti
serria corsa
hunydai coupe 1.6/ 2.0l
nova 1.2

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are u crazy? a 205 1.9gti would leather any micra whether k10 k11 ot k12.
and also what the **** is a sierra corsa ? lmao

B
 
micra_B said:
are u crazy? a 205 1.9gti would leather any micra whether k10 k11 ot k12.
and also what the **** is a sierra corsa ? lmao

B
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it says "cars ive ernt respect form" NOT cars ive *** ***** down a quarter mile
 
no k11 1.3 super s non turbo (has crossed my mind though) and verious levels of moddifications and yes the serria costworth and 205 gti could thrash me down the straight. i caught on the bends. and a big powerful cars is only half way to being quick. be able to drive fast is were i've earnt my respect.
 
sierra cosworths are overrated! the poo

the escort ans sierra saphire are the dogs,but the old one is crap
 
welly said:
be able to drive fast is were i've earnt my respect.
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How can you earn respect driving fast round bends on public roads! Do they get out and say "hey mate, i respect you for driving round bends at silly speeds etc"

Also, the 205GTI with suspension mods would be just as capable to flying round corners quicker than the super s! remember its the same size, if not smaller, and twice as powerful.
 
Arnold said:
Also, the 205GTI with suspension mods would be just as capable to flying round corners quicker than the super s! remember its the same size, if not smaller, and twice as powerful.
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205 gti round a bend would make a super s look like its standing still lol gotta respect the torsion bar my furry friend
 
TBH i think the French cars should be left out of this one,

It should be more like JAP vs Jap..

As majority of the Micras owned by member on this club are k11s, why not have a Head-to Head against the Starlet Boys?

the overall weight and power is very similar, and it would be a good comparison on which is better from both :)

It doesn't really bother me if you do go up against the Saxo's, all i can say is that you'd be wasted by majority of them (VTs)

when i got a 16.6 @ POD with a cracked Head on my car,i was during that time up against a Saxo, it must have been the VTs and it gave me a good race, tbh i think it beat did me by a 10th of a second...
they are capable of good times

*note*
you want to go out there to gain Respect for your cars not to Lose IT!

Regards

Umar
 
I don't quite know, but I do know theyre 74bhp stock, and are very similar really:


1.3 Starlet (from here):
Code: 
Length:	3740 mm
Height:	1400 mm
Weight:	830 kg
Fuel Delivery:	Injection
Transmission:	Manual
Gears:	5 Speed
Engine Size:	1332 cc
Cylinders:	4
0-60 mph:	11.9 s
Power Output:	74 bhp
Valves:	16
Torque:	85 lb/ft
Top Speed:	103 mph
Braked Towing Weight:	900 Kg
Wheelbase:	2300 mm
Luggage Capacity:	214 litres
TurningCircle:	9 m
Fuel Capacity:	45 litres

1.3 K11 (from here):
Code: 
Length:	3708 mm
Width:	1585 mm
Height:	1430 mm
Weight:	835 kg
Fuel Delivery:	Multi point fuel injection
Transmission:	Manual
Gears:	5 Speed
Engine Size:	1275 cc
Cylinders:	4
0-60 mph:	11.6 s
Power Output:	75 bhp
Valves:	16
Torque:	~80 lb/ft
Top Speed:	106 mph
Braked Towing Weight:	750 Kg
Wheelbase:	2360 mm
TurningCircle:	9 m
Fuel Capacity:	42 litres
 
Super S 1.5T said:
It doesn't really bother me if you do go up against the Saxo's, all i can say is that you'd be wasted by majority of them (VTs)
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You would be comparing a 1.3 to a 1.6. Even though the 1.3 K11 could give a VTR a good run for its money, it hardly fair is it?

Whereas if you compared a 1.3 K11 to a 1.4 Saxo it would be fair and we would waste them

EDIT: 1.3 K11 vs. 1.3 Starlet vs. 1.4 Saxo, now that would be good...
 
stick with Jap vs Jap :)

saxos, corsas, pugs are diff.

come on guys..

I have a K11 myself, and i can see it being a good head-to-head versus the Starlet.its as you read above,similar in all ways.
 
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