Micra K11 1.3 Auto doesnt drive (gearbox)

[Abaaba]

Micra K11 (2000) 1.4 Automatic

The car doesn't drive at all, the sound of the engine changes when you put a gear, I have checked underneath the car and there is oil all over the gearbox. There is dipstick to check the CVT fluid (Gearbox oil I think) and there wasn't anything at all.

What I have done so far:
I have drained the CVT fluid and there was less than 2 liters in there
There was this filter on top left hand side of the engine, does this need changing too? and is it best to use Nissan CVT Fluid NS-1 or you can also use Dexron IIE or Dexron III automatic transmission fluid (ATF)?

 

[frank]

the post 2000 cvt has that filter and has a conventional torque converter eh (so fill with basic atf) and check the level while idling in neutral

 

[Abaaba]

Conflicting info on all over the net on whether it needs changing or not.

 

[Abaaba]

Has anyone used anything other than Nissan CVT Fluid NS-1 for their post 2000 k11?

Nissan CVT Fluid NS-1 seems to be expensive and Dexron IIE or Dexron III were for Pre 2000 I believe.

if there is no alternative then anyone know a reputable place to get one?

 

[davyboy]

Hello Abaaba. Frank's the man on Micra's mate, His answer will be on the money for sure.

 

[Abaaba]

It is me again

Engine code CGA3DE Title should say 1.4 but I cant edit it.

The car is in really good condition and only done 45k but has no drive, when gear selector is moved to R, D or L you can hear engine RPM change. I press on the gas pedal and the spedo is not moving at all. I will have to get the driveshafts out and see if they are the problems but waiting when the weather is a bit better
Is there any more checks I can do before condemning the gearbox and hunting a second hand one from scrapyards?

checks done so far.
front wheels move freely so no frozen brake calipers
Gear oil was a bit low and dirty so I have changed it but still no drive
I get someone to sit in the car with reverse selected & their foot on the brake, engine ticking over, looked at the driveshafts from under the front of the car none of them was turning.

 

[davyboy]

What about the electro magnetic switch ?
Go on Andy 5077 page, plenty of info on it there.

 

[Abaaba]

What about the electro magnetic switch ?
Go on Andy 5077 page, plenty of info on it there.

Where will the electro magnetic switch be?

I went to Andy 5077 page and cant seem to find any post about post 2000 auto gearbox

 

[davyboy]

Where will the electro magnetic switch be?

I went to Andy 5077 page and cant seem to find any post about post 2000 auto gearbox

Hello Abaaba. PM Andy, he knows all about this switch mate, and with pictures.

 

[Andy5077]

Hi Abaaba just came across your thread!
If your engine is a 2000 onwards NCVT engine then you have a filter and a conventional torque converter (as Frank said) so is slightly different to my 1997 NCVT but both engines have a electromagnetic powder clutch, it is important to check the wear on the electromagnetic brushes and this is a fairly easy task. The electromagnetic brush holder is located on the front of the transmission case but for ease of access you should remove the battery and battery tray and also unclip the fuse box holders attached to the battery tray. Remember to disconnect the battery before starting!

Location of electromagnetic brush holder:

The battery and tray removed the brush holder is to the left of the dip stick holder/tube (can't see in this pic)!

Then unplug the brush holder electrical connector and undo the to retaining bolts carefully (this is the new brush holder in place)!

Old brush holder removed exposing the electromagnetic armature on which the brushes make contact!

The brand new genuine Nissan Electromagnetic Brush Holder and Brushes (£200), you could try and just solder in new brushes or if available use a cheaper clone version but this is such a vital component for the continuous optimum performance of the NCVT IMHO I did and would always buy genuine Nissan parts for reliability and piece of mind! The part number I was told by a Nissan dealer is the same for pre and post 2000 NCVT transmissions but check!

The left is the old worn brush holder and the new one on the right the old one does not look to worn but it was. There is a worn line indicator on the brushes which had been worn away on the old ones!

New brush holder in place and bolts correctly torqued!

Everything back in place job done!

On the test drive after the renewal of the electromagnetic brush holder and brushes there was a marked improvement and increase in pick-up and smoothness of transmission performance!

For more information on this task it is best to get hold of a Nissan Micra 1993 to 2002 (K to 52 registration) Haynes Service and Repair Manual Chapter 7 Part B Automatic Transmission Section 3.
For your reference your transmission designation is: RE0F21A

If you need anymore info please feel free to message me!

Cheers
Andy

 

[Abaaba]

Thank you Andy5077,

I have already taken the battery, battery tray and fuse box holder but will have to get torque wrench before removing it. I have got Haynes manual as well so will have to read those chapters too.


Thanks again mate, sure I will be back with more

 

[davyboy]

Hi Abaaba just came across your thread!
If your engine is a 2000 onwards NCVT engine then you have a filter and a conventional torque converter (as Frank said) so is slightly different to my 1997 NCVT but both engines have a electromagnetic powder clutch, it is important to check the wear on the electromagnetic brushes and this is a fairly easy task. The electromagnetic brush holder is located on the front of the transmission case but for ease of access you should remove the battery and battery tray and also unclip the fuse box holders attached to the battery tray. Remember to disconnect the battery before starting!

Location of electromagnetic brush holder:
View attachment 47511
The battery and tray removed the brush holder is to the left of the dip stick holder/tube (can't see in this pic)!
View attachment 47512
Then unplug the brush holder electrical connector and undo the to retaining bolts carefully (this is the new brush holder in place)!
View attachment 47513
Old brush holder removed exposing the electromagnetic armature on which the brushes make contact!
View attachment 47514
The brand new genuine Nissan Electromagnetic Brush Holder and Brushes (£200), you could try and just solder in new brushes or if available use a cheaper clone version but this is such a vital component for the continuous optimum performance of the NCVT IMHO I did and would always buy genuine Nissan parts for reliability and piece of mind! The part number I was told by a Nissan dealer is the same for pre and post 2000 NCVT transmissions but check!
View attachment 47515
The left is the old worn brush holder and the new one on the right the old one does not look to worn but it was. There is a worn line indicator on the brushes which had been worn away on the old ones!
View attachment 47516
New brush holder in place and bolts correctly torqued!
View attachment 47517
Everything back in place job done!
View attachment 47518

On the test drive after the renewal of the electromagnetic brush holder and brushes there was a marked improvement and increase in pick-up and smoothness of transmission performance!

For more information on this task it is best to get hold of a Nissan Micra 1993 to 2002 (K to 52 registration) Haynes Service and Repair Manual Chapter 7 Part B Automatic Transmission Section 3.
For your reference your transmission designation is: RE0F21A

If you need anymore info please feel free to message me!

Cheers
Andy

That's a great reply Andy

 

[Andy5077]

Cheers Davy mate I always like to help fellow Micronauts! B-)

 

[Abaaba]

I will take out cv joints and driveshafts this weekend, what should I be looking out for? Are the manual and automatic driveshafts different or the same?

Am thinking maybe they installed the wrong driveshafts or something

Project gearbox strip down starts tomorrow (depends on the weather)

 

[Abaaba]

I am struggling to find the electromagnetic brush, my gearbox is slightly different (mine is a replica of the one on post 11) to the one shown on andy's post so it is not to the left of the dipstick, anyone know where to find it?

On a separate note, I have noticed the driveside cv joint is disconnected from the driveshaft, so maybe that's what's causing the no drive problem..., I couldn't take out the hub nut with basic tools so i had to give up, i put some wd40 - ordered breakerbar and electric impact wrench, she lives to fight another day but I will be back..

 

[davyboy]

One drive shaft disconnected !!!! there's your problem.

 

[Andy5077]

Please keep us updated mate! B-)

 

[Abaaba]

ok, the driveshaft is out the problem was the tiny pin holding the cv joint was missing - where can I get that pin? or is it better replacing the whole thing?

 

[frank]

its only a steel ring, cut one from a spring maybe ?

 

[Abaaba]

driveshaft/cv joint sorted but still not driving - I have done the diagnostic test on the below page but the lamp doesn't blink at all, I guess I will have to take the whole thing out

https://www.micra.org.uk/threads/ncvt-problem.48828/

"Fault Code No Number - Lamp does not blink - Check all components."

 

[Abaaba]

Anyone got a picture of k11 automatic driveshaft? I wana compare to make sure I dont have manual one

 

[Abaaba]

I am getting a gearbox this weekend and will attempt to do the change soon...got few questions beforehand

Where would you use to hold the engine with engine support beam? I am thinking of buying the below one, hopefully it is fit for the job

Anything else I should be checking whilst the box is off?

Thanks

 

[Agent_Sm1th]

I'd stick a trolly jack under the engine tbh.

 

[Abaaba]

Just want a second opinion really, will a box from a dizzy k11 1.0 fit coilpack 1.4? Am gana be travelling over 100 miles to collect one thos weekend

 

[frank]

Just want a second opinion really, will a box from a dizzy k11 1.0 fit coilpack 1.4? Am gana be travelling over 100 miles to collect one thos weekend

no, the coilpack ones are different

 

[Abaaba]

Thanks frank, I was gana do 370 miles round trip to collect it..the search continues..

 

[frank]

Thanks frank, I was gana do 370 miles round trip to collect it..the search continues..

like i said ^ the post 2000 ones have an oil filter, a conventional torque converter (no magnetic clutch or brushes) and a crank sensor
this is the early g/box code i believe REOF05A

 

[Abaaba]

Guys need a bit of advice please.

Now that the box is out, how would I know if the torque converter is bad/good? What is holding the torque converter to the engine? Cant see any bolts or anything at all

Pictures coming

 

[frank]

4 bolts on the backplate aint it mate ?

 

[Abaaba]

4 bolts on the backplate aint it mate ?

Nice one mate, I have seen the bolts now...they were hidden behind the the torque converter. Does it matter which way i turn the flywheel (clockwise or anti clockwise) to undo the bolts?

 

[Abaaba]

What is the attached connector? Please tell me it aint that important

I broke the one on my old box and the new box came with a broken one as well.......BUT apart from that the boxes are identical (the new one came from 1.0 auto coilpack) so I should be up and running soon

 

[Agent_Sm1th]

It monitors the fluid pressure I think. I'd get a new one else you may get a fault code.

 

[Abaaba]

Nice one Agent_Sm1th.....I hope manuals have them as well coz it was nightmare to get auto box

 

[Agent_Sm1th]

I'm not sure the manuals have them unfortunately.

 

[Abaaba]

Update..

I put 1.0 gearbox today and you have no idea how it felt to see it drive

It was nightmare to level/align the box (I nearly gave up at one point) but once the first bolt went in It was straight forward.

There were few casualties along the way though, I broke 2 sensors and 1 exhaust bolt but apart from that it was a success for a first timer lol

Thanks everyone that has helped/advised.., really appreciate it

 

[Abaaba]

The joy is short lived, I have got a massive leak between the sum & the box, the seal/gasket is broken.

I have looked at it and there 12 or 13 bolts holding it together so is it a case of undo bolts remove the bottom, remove the old seal, clean and then put the new one on and bolt them?

 

[frank]

a leak from the g/box sump ?

 

[Abaaba]

The seal between the box and the botton part which holds most of the oil....am probably not explaining right but I got a video, I will post it later.

 

[frank]

sounds like the g/box sump eh, probably damaged during removal-refit

 

[Abaaba]

Right, I am back and facing the prospect of changing the box again, as a driveway DIYer, what would make my life a bit easier in removing and putting the box back on? How useful are transmission jacks and would anyone recommend one?

I have seen the below on amazon, is it any good?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Lifts-Ho...s=Draper+53095+150+kg+Floor+Transmission+Jack

 

[SuperUno]

Hire (or borrow) an engine crane, Cheaper and much easier. Or sell me your CG3A engine

 

[plmval]

Hire (or borrow) an engine crane, Cheaper and much easier. Or sell me your CG3A engine

“Here here” . Enough is enough auto shenanigans?

 

[Abaaba]

Hire (or borrow) an engine crane, Cheaper and much easier.

to remove just the box or remove both engine and box?

Or sell me your CG3A engine

You gana have to come and take it out yourself though

 

[SuperUno]

to remove just the box or remove both engine and box?



You gana have to come and take it out yourself though

You can use it to remove the box, I tend to just use it for helping put the box back on.

For the right price I would...

 

[Merlim]

Hi Abaaba just came across your thread!
If your engine is a 2000 onwards NCVT engine then you have a filter and a conventional torque converter (as Frank said) so is slightly different to my 1997 NCVT but both engines have a electromagnetic powder clutch, it is important to check the wear on the electromagnetic brushes and this is a fairly easy task. The electromagnetic brush holder is located on the front of the transmission case but for ease of access you should remove the battery and battery tray and also unclip the fuse box holders attached to the battery tray. Remember to disconnect the battery before starting!

Location of electromagnetic brush holder:
View attachment 47511
The battery and tray removed the brush holder is to the left of the dip stick holder/tube (can't see in this pic)!
View attachment 47512
Then unplug the brush holder electrical connector and undo the to retaining bolts carefully (this is the new brush holder in place)!
View attachment 47513
Old brush holder removed exposing the electromagnetic armature on which the brushes make contact!
View attachment 47514
The brand new genuine Nissan Electromagnetic Brush Holder and Brushes (£200), you could try and just solder in new brushes or if available use a cheaper clone version but this is such a vital component for the continuous optimum performance of the NCVT IMHO I did and would always buy genuine Nissan parts for reliability and piece of mind! The part number I was told by a Nissan dealer is the same for pre and post 2000 NCVT transmissions but check!
View attachment 47515
A esquerda é o antigo porta-escovas gasto e o novo à direita o antigo não parece gasto mas era. Há um indicador de linha gasto nas escovas que tinham sido gastas nos velhos!
View attachment 47516
Novo porta-escovas no lugar e parafusos corretamente apertados!
View attachment 47517
Tudo de volta no trabalho feito! : D
View attachment 47518

No test drive, após a renovação do porta-escovas e escovas eletromagnéticas, houve uma melhora significativa e aumento na qualidade de transmissão e suavidade do desempenho da transmissão!

Para obter mais informações sobre essa tarefa, é melhor adquirir um Nissan Micra 1993 a 2002 (registro de K a 52) Manual de Serviço e Reparo da Haynes Capítulo 7 Parte B Seção de Transmissão Automática 3.
Para sua referência, sua designação de transmissão é: RE0F21A

Se você precisar de mais informações, sinta-se à vontade para me enviar uma mensagem!

Felicidades
Andy : D[/ QUOTE]

 

[Merlim]

oa amigo, voçe poderia me informar onde se compra

Hi Abaaba just came across your thread!
If your engine is a 2000 onwards NCVT engine then you have a filter and a conventional torque converter (as Frank said) so is slightly different to my 1997 NCVT but both engines have a electromagnetic powder clutch, it is important to check the wear on the electromagnetic brushes and this is a fairly easy task. The electromagnetic brush holder is located on the front of the transmission case but for ease of access you should remove the battery and battery tray and also unclip the fuse box holders attached to the battery tray. Remember to disconnect the battery before starting!

Location of electromagnetic brush holder:
View attachment 47511
The battery and tray removed the brush holder is to the left of the dip stick holder/tube (can't see in this pic)!
View attachment 47512
Em seguida, desconecte o conector elétrico do porta-escovas e desfaça os parafusos de retenção cuidadosamente (este é o novo porta-escovas no lugar)!
View attachment 47513
Antigo porta-escovas removido, expondo a armadura eletromagnética na qual as escovas entram em contato!
View attachment 47514
O novíssimo Nissan genuíno Escova Eletromagnética Holder e Brushes (£ 200), você poderia tentar e apenas soldar em novas escovas ou se disponível usar uma versão clone mais barato, mas este é um componente tão vital para o desempenho contínuo contínuo do NCVT IMHO que eu fiz e sempre compraria peças genuínas da Nissan para confiabilidade e tranquilidade! O número de peça que me foi dito por um revendedor da Nissan é o mesmo para transmissões NCVT pré e pós 2000, mas verifique!
View attachment 47515
A esquerda é o antigo porta-escovas gasto e o novo à direita o antigo não parece gasto mas era. Há um indicador de linha gasto nas escovas que tinham sido gastas nos velhos!
View attachment 47516
Novo porta-escovas no lugar e parafusos corretamente apertados!
View attachment 47517
Tudo de volta no trabalho feito! : D
View attachment 47518

No test drive, após a renovação do porta-escovas e escovas eletromagnéticas, houve uma melhora significativa e aumento na qualidade de transmissão e suavidade do desempenho da transmissão!

Para obter mais informações sobre essa tarefa, é melhor adquirir um Nissan Micra 1993 a 2002 (registro de K a 52) Manual de Serviço e Reparo da Haynes Capítulo 7 Parte B Seção de Transmissão Automática 3.
Para sua referência, sua designação de transmissão é: RE0F21A

Se você precisar de mais informações, sinta-se à vontade para me enviar uma mensagem!

Felicidades
Andy : D[/ QUOTE]
o amigo voçe poderia me dizer onde comprou esta peça, precisava muito porque o meu carro tem o mesmo problema obrigado

 

[Merlim]

ola amigo voçe poderia me perguntar onde comprar esta peça, porque o meu carro tem o mesmo problema, obrigado

 

[Abaaba]

google translate.
Hi friend, could you ask (tell) me where to buy this part, because my car has the same problem, thank you


which part mate? engine hoist? gearbox?

 

[Merlim]

o porta escovas, porque o do meu esta partido

 

[Merlim]