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its not wise to say somone should have 5 years in jail just because they carrying a knife. foot long knives can be bought in supermarkets by anyone, and for innocent purposes. if your young and on the street at night time, then thats something different.
 
Pretty much the same thing happened at the back of my uni with 2 lads been attacked for no reason at all. Just ***** with no brains or sense!!! They should be locked up forever. Luckily the lads survived I think.
 
Alienfish360 said:
yeah but it will be packaged up, you would have no reason to publicly carry a knife out of it's packaging
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this instance innocently happens all the time where i live. if your fishing you carry a range of knives, when camping or or going to a BBQ or backpacking/treking you carry a knife. its all down to context. cant just say everyone with a knife 5 years in jail.
 
nizzanz1 said:
this instance innocently happens all the time where i live. if your fishing you carry a range of knives, when camping or or going to a BBQ or backpacking/treking you carry a knife. its all down to context. cant just say everyone with a knife 5 years in jail.
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true...alot of people at work carry their own knife. not exaclty rambo style things but enough to kill somone if they wanted

its no the knife that kills its the human....if somone wanted to kill they would do you cant stop it,you can kill with your hands ffs
 
possibly people with knives would know how to fight. i'm not violent at all, but i know you in one movement you can break someones neck in a second and it kills them.
 
nizzanz1 said:
i know you in one movement you can break someones neck in a second and it kills them.
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People that carry knives tend to not know how to fight hence the need for a weapon.

However, I do have quite a bit of experience with fighting and combat sports and that comment is highly inaccurate.
 
Alienfish360 said:
However, I do have quite a bit of experience with fighting and combat sports and that comment is highly inaccurate.
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well..im 100% sure i could knock anyone to the ground if they wasnt expecting it and jump on their head until they die..the other option is head to brick wall untill they die

its not rocket science
 
oh i seen this on the news the other day its horrendous his mother released it so it would stop others from carrying knives that poor woman so brave..
 
####ing sick pathetic b@stards!
saw this on the news, no motive, just stab someone cause you felt like it, put them in a proper jail and see how hard they are then!
 
Alienfish360 said:
People that carry knives tend to not know how to fight hence the need for a weapon.

However, I do have quite a bit of experience with fighting and combat sports and that comment is highly inaccurate.
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i guess if you were a martial arts student, in the uk especially, you would not have been taught the technique for killing somone, the move i have seen is a grab from behind forcing the head backwards, and snap. it was a demonstration so it didnt actually happen though.
 
Yes, it can be done quite easily. The problem is doing it against a resisting opponent.

RIK said:
well..im 100% sure i could knock anyone to the ground if they wasnt expecting it
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Sorry, but it takes quite a good hit in the right place to put somebody on the floor after one hit. Yeah you would most likely stun somebody but drop them, I think not, unless you use something a bit harder than a fist. Such as an elbow, knee or kick.

Most people you see that drop off 1 punch tend to be drunk or over-reacting.
 
Alienfish360 said:
Yes, it can be done quite easily. The problem is doing it against a resisting opponent.



Sorry, but it takes quite a good hit in the right place to put somebody on the floor after one hit. Yeah you would most likely stun somebody but drop them, I think not, unless you use something a bit harder than a fist. Such as an elbow, knee or kick.

Most people you see that drop off 1 punch tend to be drunk or over-reacting.
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what about a good rugby tackle...where thers a will there is always a way
 
RIK said:
what about a good rugby tackle...where thers a will there is always a way
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you're on the floor too, lack of power from the ground.

The first thing I'd think of doing if somebody tackled me like that is to keep hold of them and I'm sure at least 90% of others would do too.
 
Alienfish360 said:
you're on the floor too, lack of power from the ground.

The first thing I'd think of doing if somebody tackled me like that is to keep hold of them and I'm sure at least 90% of others would do too.
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ok i cant kill anyone without a weapon.............
 
Alienfish360 said:
you're on the floor too, lack of power from the ground.

The first thing I'd think of doing if somebody tackled me like that is to keep hold of them and I'm sure at least 90% of others would do too.
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Probly not.. if someone jumps on u, first thing most ppl would do is try and get them off.
 
RIK said:
ok i cant kill anyone without a weapon.............
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Sorry, but that's just taking it to a childish extreme. Yes, Yes you can, but it takes a lot to put a person on the ground and hit them cleanly over and over while they're down without them resisting. It's not as easy as people make it seem.
 
Alienfish360 said:
Sorry, but that's just taking it to a childish extreme. Yes, Yes you can, but it takes a lot to put a person on the ground and hit them cleanly over and over while they're down without them resisting. It's not as easy as people make it seem.
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well i will never get chance to find out anyway.

so if you was that kid in the video how would you have coped with your training?
 
RIK said:
so if you was that kid in the video how would you have coped with your training?
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Unfortunately, no matter how well trained you are, against 3 dedicated attackers you don't have much of a chance, against a knife no amount of training will help.

So yeah, I'd probably be dead too.


Fighting 1 on 1 in the ring is hard.
Fighting 1 on 1 in a street is harder.
Fighting 1 on 2 is pushing it.
Fighting 1 on 3 you should be running.


But, it looked like he was hit with something in that first hit, not sure whether it was the dudes keys or the knife. But, it was much harder than a fist, you can tell it wasn't just a punch from where he hit him and how he fell.
 
now if your a tiger a its a lot easier. i gather they leap at a human from behind clamping their jaws around the neck. their teeth collapse the throat causing suffocation at the same time as breaking through the neck bone and spinal cord. i think they must have practiced a lot on grazing beasts first.
 
the video really sickens me too. the thing is it could happen to anyone of us and thats something to think about.

i personally think the motive was to show off in front of his mates. show how tough he is etc, using weapons like that shows more of a ##### than anything else. grr
 
Before my post I agree totally that people like this should be locked away and key thrown away and hopefully some male gorilla will make them there little b!tch but...

The Sun have mastered using others misfortune for their gain, putting a petition together could sway the courts and give fuel for a mistrial in terms of swaying what after all is supposed to be a unbiased opinion not one swayed by public feeling. How much extra income do you think the Sun gets from advertising on busy sites and they know that putting an online petition for such a horrific act will line their pockets quite nicely....
 
Things is a few year in jail isnt a big thing to them they maybe wanted to meet the rest of their family in their , but attacking no one for anyreason is just stupid they knocked the guy out then stab him why would u do that , 1 on 1 most of these people cant fight it takes a whole group to take on one person
 
rhaines said:
The Sun have mastered using others misfortune for their gain, putting a petition together could sway the courts and give fuel for a mistrial in terms of swaying what after all is supposed to be a unbiased opinion not one swayed by public feeling. How much extra income do you think the Sun gets from advertising on busy sites and they know that putting an online petition for such a horrific act will line their pockets quite nicely....
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its a news paper its suposed to make money from news..good or bad
 
That makes me sick.

I actually Started on two lads the other day for a stream of racism and indimidation that was being hurled at an innocent couple.

Those of you who have met me know that im not a small bloke.
It was completly out of charicter for me to intervene on somthing that had nothing to do with me. But I saw a WRONG and decieded I wanted to put my point across...

To put a long story short I waded in and told some scrotes to clear off in no uncertain terms. This they were unhappy about and gave a little abuse. I gave some NON IMPACT type pursuasion and off they popped down the street. I received a thanks for my performance

Besides the point, THIS #### SHOULDN'T HAPPEN!!!!!!!

I would quite happily BURN the trio or their actions with THIS footage as REASON as to their EJECTION from LIFE!
 
On this occasion there should be no alternative whatsoever other than the death penalty for the killer and I dont mean 'humane euthanesia' I mean a very slow and agonising death, and the other two should never see the outside world again and be made to suffer extreme physical pain every day for the rest of their lives, perhaps these sorts of punishment would deter future perpetrators of the same crime offending. These people obviously have no respect for human life and as such deserve to have the privilage of life removed.
 
sonic said:
On this occasion there should be no alternative whatsoever other than the death penalty for the killer and I dont mean 'humane euthanesia' I mean a very slow and agonising death, and the other two should never see the outside world again and be made to suffer extreme physical pain every day for the rest of their lives, perhaps these sorts of punishment would deter future perpetrators of the same crime offending. These people obviously have no respect for human life and as such deserve to have the privilage of life removed.
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good man :)

this wouldn't happen if people thought they could get away with it...
 
NeX said:
good man :)

this wouldn't happen if people thought they could get away with it...
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but it does.......some places still have the death penalty and it doesnt stop people
 
sonic said:
On this occasion there should be no alternative whatsoever other than the death penalty for the killer and I dont mean 'humane euthanesia' I mean a very slow and agonising death, and the other two should never see the outside world again and be made to suffer extreme physical pain every day for the rest of their lives, perhaps these sorts of punishment would deter future perpetrators of the same crime offending. These people obviously have no respect for human life and as such deserve to have the privilage of life removed.
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in my opinion you are sick if you believe in the death penalty or administering pain to other people. its means you have no respect for human suffering either.
for me exile would be the best thing for offenders. take away their citizenship/passport put them on a boat, tow them into international waters and tell them to go where they want, if they come back into uk waters the military will respond. this way its impossible for them to harm anyone on the uk again. its upto other countires if they let them in. their future is in their own hands and responsibility then.
 
n my opinion you are sick if you believe in the death penalty or administering pain to other people. its means you have no respect for human suffering either.
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well why should they get the right to end someone elese life and go in prison an then get out. when the person they killed is 6 feet under and there family cryin every night while they walk around like nothing happend?

hang them high!
 
i didnt say they should ever be free in the uk again. but the main point is you dont hurt people deliberately in the name of the law.
 
but not all cases are the same.not everyone is like these in this video.

punishment should vairy like it does now.......not just YOU MUST DIE you have killed
 
a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye.

in 1 of the wee countrys around iraq if you comit murder u get exicuted in the same way you comited the murder. i say follow there lead would make people think twice about comiting a murder.
 
danmicra said:
a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye.

in 1 of the wee countrys around iraq if you comit murder u get exicuted in the same way you comited the murder. i say follow there lead would make people think twice about comiting a murder.
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yeah and look what their country is like
 
I did say 'on this occasion', the guy stabbed him at least 4 times in the chest and back, he didnt mean to just scratch him a bit, he meant to severely injure or kill him, to me this is totally unacceptable, in my opinion he deserves no less than death, can you imagine the void left in his families and friends lives with him gone, can you imagine how he felt feeling the life flow from his body, the scumbag that did this can only contribute evil to the world and in my opinion should not be allowed to be part of it.
 
now i can see from here how easy it is for society to go extremist. it doesnt take much for oppression to take over with very strict rules and ultra harsh and cruel punishments. examples are found in islamic areas controlled by radicals, some iraqi sportsmen were shot while getting out of their car the other day because they were wearing shorts. if you trace this kind of behaviour back in time it must have originated from rules being made on top of other rules and punishments being escalated from opinions and beliefs of what is right and what is wrong. i think its better to think simply that harming is never right. you can prevent crimes using the threat of exclusion from society. its would mean a lot to someone to be removed from their home, the area they grew up , the people they know, their relatives, their culture, their meaning of existence. all gone if you eject them from the country. that would be a big fear for offenders rather than prison. but at the same time it doesnt involve violence agaisnt them. this was the form of punishment that native american indians used. and it worked there wasnt much crime within communities. a murderer would be exiled from the community and never welcomed back. the bond the individual has in their community is strong, they dont want to loose it. also once they are gone they can never return to cause trouble. same effect as if they had been put to death.
 
RIK said:
yeah and look what their country is like
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But Rik, their troubles allegedly spring from religious differences, they are brainwashed from an early age to hate their opposing religion, this is what makes them fanatics, the only way to stop the wars there is to seperate the religions altogether, but then trouble would start about who is going to be relocated, you cant compare their troubles with the degeneration of society in this country, ours are caused by the lack off respect for others brought on by the softening of punishments allowed for many offences, the culprit for the softening of course is the government itself who allow themselves to be told what to do by the politically correct do gooders in Brussels. In my opinion.
 

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