coppers are ******

[adammichael]

who agrees. i got pulled over tonight for wreckless driving when i know i wasnt it ####ed me off so much they werent in police cars they were jus in normal ones n they said theyd been looking for me all night when id been out 10minutes

 

[Dusk]

Not being pedantic, but you must have been driving incorrectly for them to pull you. I drive from a-to-b, and i dont have an issue, and im sure my car is more noticable than yours also (&more of an eyesore ha ha).

 

[Zephyr]

no one can really comment on that no one knows how u was driving apart from you...but my opinion is i dont like them either...

 

[scottish-sr]

Might be abit off topic...but who would you head straight too if your car got stolen, house broken into or mugged etc??

Only you know how you were driving, but there must have been something up for them too pull you over.

 

[goldstar0011]

You might think you're a good driver but otehrs might not, it's all opinion.

I think I'm safe and a good driver, have been able to aviod several crashes, but I have a passenger daily who thinks I'm no good, he drivers to the letter, 29.9mph in a 30mph, 10-2 hands etc a proper student of the state (ps he's only provisional so we'll see what happens when he passes)

As for police, just take it, you might need them one day

 

[SR_Micra_Boy]

In my opinion they do a brilliant job!

 

[ricardo_swarez]

Might be abit off topic...but who would you head straight too if your car got stolen, house broken into or mugged etc??

You would go to the police but they can be complete ******. Me and kristian were once on his drive at night, he was moving his car off his drive so I could get mine off, a police van stopped because that is OBVIOUSLY 'suspicious activity' as they called it. When kristan was asked for I.D he had his passport, drivers license and a untilty bill on him, because at the time he was regularly in london and so had to carry that stuf around, the police man said that, that was very suspicous.. so they want i.d but if you carry it then your obviously a criminal. Then when he went, he returned about 5minutes later because kristian wasnt registered to vote at his house and so OBVIOUSLY doesnt live there. They may help you when a crime is commited against you, but then again they arent doing it out of the goodness of there hearts, they do get well paid, but they can do some realy stupid pointless timewaisting things like I said above.

Also down the road from me on a monday morning..every monday morning they pull every single van into a layby and check to everything on it to make sure its mot worthy and has tax ect, why dont they start looking for real criminals rather than pulling tradesmen over who are trying to make an honest living!? Why dont they go down the benfits office and find some real scrounging criminals, the people they are pulling over are paying there wages but the people in the que for 'jab seekers alowance' are takeing, I have mixed opinions about the way they operate.

 

[goldstar0011]

It's all opinions thats the problem.

Copper said you your acting suspiciously, but thats his opinion, for some strange reason we have to trust the "opinion" of a policeman, why should I?

 

[Arnold]

Might be abit off topic...but who would you head straight too if your car got stolen, house broken into or mugged etc??

My debit card was frauded of over a grand last month, and it took 3 weeks for the police to even call me back. I managed to obtain the delivery details, names given, phone numbers etc through my own investigation. When the guy called, he said "we'l get someone round there as soon as possible"... Three weeks!! they've probably long gone.

I watched a police woman fiddling with her in car computer yesterday and nearly mounted her car up onto the pavement! If that was you or i, we'd have been arrested on the spot.

I do agree its all opinion, you may feel your driving is ok but it could have been bad. If the police are having a quiet night tho, you do feel they may start pulling people over willy nilly for no real reason at all

 

[Speedle]

ive been pulled on a few occasions i find being polite and helpful is the best way, ive been pulled for speeding 2 times and was let off both of them, i think mainly because i was not rude and listen to what i was told! i dont speed now (at least not on roads they are known to watch )

my gf's step brother is a copper and he's a total **** **** so they are out there god i feel like hitting the pratt right now! grrrr lol

 

[Pete]

Also down the road from me on a monday morning..every monday morning they pull every single van into a layby and check to everything on it to make sure its mot worthy and has tax ect, why dont they start looking for real criminals rather than pulling tradesmen over who are trying to make an honest living!? Why dont they go down the benfits office and find some real scrounging criminals, the people they are pulling over are paying there wages but the people in the que for 'jab seekers alowance' are takeing, I have mixed opinions about the way they operate.

I'm astounded by the narrowmindedness of some of you. moving vehicles and hanging around them at nite is worthy of suspision ( sp ), as for the first guy you've probably got a car that is similar to another that'd been terrorising your town. I have never had a problem driving around in my 205, I regularly drive at around closing time and even later, a time when police do tend to stop people, and never have I had a problem.

As for the stopping vans, quite rightly so, often small one man firms tend to take a lax view as to vehicle maintenance, their vehicles get more abuse than everyday cars. VOSA and the police will be checking vehicle condition, whether it is licenced, registered, overloaded, full of illegal immigrant workers (with the help of the DWP).

Oh and a word of warning, if a vehicle looking a bit like a police car but with VOSA written on it trys to stop you, stop. VOSA now has the right to stop vehicles.

Pete

 

[micra man]

I can see it from both sides here, the majority of police do do a good job and are quite reasonable, however some of them let it down for the rest but its the same in any job, you get the good and the bad. Its just a shame that some of them seem to think that they are above the law, I was apparently seen speeding down a road one night which I know i had not been down that night, but they were ok with me, I was ok with them and I was let off, as I was going a little fast. Although I didn't agree with some of the things they were saying, at the end of the day been cheeky aint gunna get you anywhere. You just gotta listen to what they have to say, and hope for the best, and then slag them off afterwards lol. Joking.

 

[squigbobble]

he drivers to the letter, 29.9mph in a 30mph, 10-2 hands etc a proper student of the state (ps he's only provisional so we'll see what happens when he passes)

Heh, I've been driving for 5 years and most of the time I drive pedantically on the speed limit as I was taught... gives me somet' to do :laugh:

I agree with micra man, u get good ones and bad ones and the best ways to deal with them is either by being nice or humble, depending on how *&^%ed off they are. Being a &^% will just make them want to nick u. A fairly comical and gentle "Noooooo!" and puppy dog eyes got me out of a parking ticket, I've yet to see if it works for traffic offences.

 

[ricardo_swarez]

I'm astounded by the narrowmindedness of some of you. moving vehicles and hanging around them at nite is worthy of suspision

How many people work nights? moving your car at night isnt suspicous at all, and we werent hanging around them, we walked out, he reversed and they pulled over, totaly unneeded. How many serious crimes go unsolved because the police are harassing innocent people.

As for the stopping vans, quite rightly so, often small one man firms tend to take a lax view as to vehicle maintenance, their vehicles get more abuse than everyday cars.

So you would rather pay tax for police to pull vans over than maybe go and ask the scrounging dole scum why they are incapable of finding a job... or looking? You would rather they pay police to pull innocent people over on there way to work on a monday morning rather than get more police out on a friday night when girls are getting date raped or attacked on the way home from town? You my friend need a reality check, maybe when something happens to you and the police are to buisy harassing innocent people to deal with real issues you will see the light of day.

 

[mean micra]

pigs... erm i mean police officers are 50/50 tbh... i find older ones are power hungry areshlos that dont give you a chance to even speak... they love the fact that you lose it under pressure...

younger cops i find are more pally pally, round my end neways... i have only been pulled once for lights on bonnet... older cop was giving me siht while younger one was being really polite...

so its luck of the draw really with this, but i wont tar them all with same brush...

 

[kristian]

Ive had a lot of expereance with police in the last year... one thing I must say...

DESPITE getting some ####e of some of them in the past.. Ive been on the other end of the job too.. every time ive had to phone an ambulance or the police.. theyve been very quick to turn up...

At the end of the day... We can all see how some of them get a power trip..

Theyve got some dirty crap to deal with also... and I wouldn't do their job for a living..

 

[Pete]

So you would rather pay tax for police to pull vans over than maybe go and ask the scrounging dole scum why they are incapable of finding a job... or looking? You would rather they pay police to pull innocent people over on there way to work on a monday morning rather than get more police out on a friday night when girls are getting date raped or attacked on the way home from town? You my friend need a reality check, maybe when something happens to you and the police are to buisy harassing innocent people to deal with real issues you will see the light of day.

My friend, you pick the wrong person to talk to like that. dole scrounging scum are 'meant' to be dealt with the Department for Work and Pensions. Yes I would quite happily pay for police to pull over innocent vans and other traffic in an effort to remove the scores of dangerous vehicles that litter our streets.

What you don't seem to realise tho is that there are many types of coppers, the bobbies pulling vans over and checking them are trained traffic officers, the bobbies working towns on friday nites are regulars, probationers, specials and PCSO's most of whome have no interest in vehicles.

The police have enough to deal with with budgetary constraints, being overstretched, actual criminals and i'm sure don't need this kind of narrow-minded attack on their work.

 

[ricardo_swarez]

Yes I would quite happily pay for police to pull over innocent vans and other traffic in an effort to remove the scores of dangerous vehicles that litter our streets.

If they are innocent vans then they arnt doing anything wrong and so this wont remove score of dangerous vehicle off the street.

What you don't seem to realise tho is that there are many types of coppers,

I do realise this, and I realise the budget is stretched, so why have specialist police, usualy 6-8 of them pulling vans over, when these police could have been left as regulars and been policing the streets, I'd rather people be safe, that some vans have tax and mot's.

I respect that they have a hard job to do, and I can understand that they do get power trips when they have to deal with scum, but waisting police on innocent people when there are real criminals to catch is stupid. I say police the streets and get crime rates down, and when thats done, THEN start pulling people over to check if there car is road worthy. Althought tbh I think to pull someone over every single monday and ask them to produce there documents and inspect there van is an invasion of civil liberties and harrasment, put yourself in the van drivers shoes, every single monday your car would get inspected. My step dad had 5 mot's in one year, every single one his van passed without anywork. But he had to get a retest because he gets pulled every single monday.

 

[Dusk]

My friend in work had a man break into his house while everyone asleep, he rang the police, and they came around the next day to interview him.
Good job i say..!

 

[Pete]

an MOT certificate lasts for a year in England and Wales (Scotland too I think), when you get a notice to produce you documents you don't need to go get a new MOT. The only circumstance you would have to go back to an MOT station is if a traffic officer serves you with a rectification notice, requiring you to rectify a fault and have this verified by an MOT station.

If I was a van driver and I was pulled over in the same place week in week out i'd go another route.

Why bring traffic officers off the road? In many forces they have removed dedicated traffic teams and bunged 'traffic' trained officers in with regulars which led to people being up in arms. The road network makes up one heck of a large amount of public space in this country and I don't see why there shouldn't be a significant policing presence dealing with vehicles. The amount of commercial vehicles I see around here that pay little or no regard to taxation or usage laws gets me angry sometimes.

There has been a move to increase the uniformed presence on the streets, I think we can all agree that the introduction of PCSO's and community wardens has increased the number of uniformed 'officers' on the beat. Speaking from experiance the centre of Sheffield has greatly improved having City Centre staff (yeah I cant spell ambassidors ). Now i've started to notice in my own area they are introducing community wardens. There has been a push to increase the number of Special Constables (specials, SPC's ) on the beat, as they volunteer their services for free and have the same powers as regulars.

If you are so worried about policing in your area i'd suggest you write to your MP or Chief Constable.

 

[Andrew]

Police on the streets do very little to combat any forms of serious crime, this is shown in reports and studies consistently. It does reduce vandalism, petty theft, and disorderly behaviour, but doesn't have much of an impact on assaults, rapes, burglary, or car theft. It costs a lot of money to have police on the streets, and the number of incidents they are involved with and the number they resolve are far lower than police in a vehicle.

Putting police on the streets is largely based on public perception rather than crime fighting statistics. Unfortunately, most people are too short sighted to look into matters any further than subjective evidence of friends and family.

The police take a reactive stance, where they deal with crime as and when it happens. There are simply not enough of them, or enough money, to allow them to take mostly preventative measures. In the past, it may have been possible to police the streets effectively, but increases in population and crime rates have made it impossible.

There is a high correlation between fatal traffic accidents and uninsured, untaxed or un-MOTed drivers. Getting these people off the road can only help. Another nicety of road traffic offences is the reduced level of paperwork and legal procedings compared to other crimes. On the spot fines, fixed penalty notices etc. mean a lot less time is wasted, whilst still gaining revenue.

I'd far rather see the police cleaning up these easy targets, reliably getting prosecutions, and reducing other crimes, than wasting their time providing a presence hoping that something will happen.

 

[Titch]

Police on the streets do very little to combat any forms of serious crime, this is shown in reports and studies consistently. It does reduce vandalism, petty theft, and disorderly behaviour, but doesn't have much of an impact on assaults, rapes, burglary, or car theft. It costs a lot of money to have police on the streets, and the number of incidents they are involved with and the number they resolve are far lower than police in a vehicle.

Putting police on the streets is largely based on public perception rather than crime fighting statistics. Unfortunately, most people are too short sighted to look into matters any further than subjective evidence of friends and family.

The police take a reactive stance, where they deal with crime as and when it happens. There are simply not enough of them, or enough money, to allow them to take mostly preventative measures. In the past, it may have been possible to police the streets effectively, but increases in population and crime rates have made it impossible.

There is a high correlation between fatal traffic accidents and uninsured, untaxed or un-MOTed drivers. Getting these people off the road can only help. Another nicety of road traffic offences is the reduced level of paperwork and legal procedings compared to other crimes. On the spot fines, fixed penalty notices etc. mean a lot less time is wasted, whilst still gaining revenue.

I'd far rather see the police cleaning up these easy targets, reliably getting prosecutions, and reducing other crimes, than wasting their time providing a presence hoping that something will happen.

Well said that Man

 

[ricardo_swarez]

an MOT certificate lasts for a year in England and Wales (Scotland too I think), when you get a notice to produce you documents you don't need to go get a new MOT.

They didnt believe that he had a valid mot, they said his van would have made it through. But yet he drives a mercedes vito and its a realy good condition. He got another mot, then the same thing happened about 4 times, so my mum wrote to wigan council and the police and got the money back for 5 mot's because they were all unjustified. Goulbourne asda (near me) got broken into in an armed robbery, the robbery took 20 minutes but no police, the robbers got away and 30minutes after they had left, the police arrived. At this time I was being pulled over in wigan when it wasnt even dark for not driving with my lights on. But yet there were nearmerous cars around with no lights on, but because I have alloys wheels and a bodykit im the only one out of them all whos OBVIOUSLY the criminal. If the 6 officers doing vehicle inspection were taken off that then the armed robbery in goulbourne could have been attended and the theifs caught, but the police were to buisy pulling innocent people over to catch real criminals. At my work two girls were assaulted after the local night clubs all nighter. They pushed the panic button for rapid responce, 8hours after the attack there were still no police, infact it was the next day that the police did turn up. If police were available then things like this could be attended but they are using police on innocent people rather than having then available for when crimes occur. I see your point andrew and MA12 but i'd prefer the police to be available for realy crimes than to be buisy pulling people over who've commited no offence.

If I was a van driver and I was pulled over in the same place week in week out i'd go another route.

Why should anyone have to avoid the police? why should you have to change the way you drive to avoid being pulled over for not commiting a crime, pulled over on the off chance that your van may have something wrong with it. Thats like a police man coming over to you in the street and frisking you for weapons, you could have them, but why should you have to be frisked on the off chance that you have them.

 

[59 bhp is more than enough]

"dole scrounging scum are 'meant' to be dealt with the Department for Work and Pensions"

"So you would rather pay tax for police to pull vans over than maybe go and ask the scrounging dole scum why they are incapable of finding a job... or looking?"

im sorry this is off topic but i feel very passionatly about this. Have you thought for one second that some people actually want to work but cant get a job for various reasons. Have you actually thought that these "scum" might need this money to survive and not hang around the house all day. people like you disgust me. you ##### an moan about the police "harrsasing you" and guess what we all get it, lifes a #####. police are people to and like everyone some people are honest and decent and some are horrible predujice human beings. You cant do anything about it just be as polite as you can and ive found out that if you aint doin anything wrong then they cant do you for anything simple as.

 

[ricardo_swarez]

I've always found jobs very easy to get, and there always agencies, so dont tell me they cant find a job, im a student and I can find jobs when I need to have very flexible and sometimes constantly changing hours, go to the job centre there are plenty of jobs, in some blacks spots ok, they cant find them, but in my area theres lots of appertunities. People like you make me sick, defending those who spend our taxes because they cant be bothered getting a job.

 

[K10Daz]

There are those who try and try to get a job who dont sign on the dole - aka me i struggled for over a year to find a job, i made my money by doin things for people - helping out local business men, working on the side.
Then there are the lazy and the junkie scum who get free health care, free child care free this free that and sit on the dole doing **** all - those ppl disgust me!

im working honestly for my wages at the end of the month and i hate having to go to the doctors when im ill or the dentist, or optician because if the amount it costs, yet if you are a junkie you get it for free! The government is all wrong!

 

[59 bhp is more than enough]

yeah i completely agree with that k10 daz. and if you read my post properly (im assuming you can read long sentaces) you would see that i wasnt defending people who refuse to get a job i was defending people who CANT get a job. i first hand that some people find it hard to get a job that they need. if you have a wife and four kids then you cant excatly go get a job at macdonalds to support them can you. this will be my last post on the subject.

 

[K10Daz]

nah mate im not disagreeing with your post at all, just adding to it lol

 

[Pete]

ok i've not got time to go into this rite now as i've got my bed to get to, i'm sure i'll find some time at some stage.

dole scroungers etc. etc. i don't mean people who are genuinly looking for work but are unable to get suitable employment thru no fault of their own. My problems lies with the career scroungers, who see breeding as their ticket to a greater payout.

And ricardo, the people are getting pulled over because their is a high likely hood of them having commited an offence, it's very similar to opperations where joint VOSA, Police and DWP teams set up traps every year to catch minibuses that may be taking immigrant workers to farms to pick fruit and veg, or even the police pulling people up after chucking out time. I've been stopped a few times now in an opperation South Yorkshire Police run stopping every vehicle in a road block to see if they've been drinking, an officer pokes their head in and if they can smell booze they pull you over and breathalise you, not that i've ever had to have been breathalised I have no problem with being stopped if it means they'll catch the few that are breaking the law.

This isn't a police state by any stretch of the imagination, but because it isn't people take liberties, some commercial opperators, tax dodgers, uninsured drivers...

Pete

PS i'm sorry if i insulted any people on disability benifits or job-seekers allowance or whose parents may be in reciept of such benifits. We have a welfare state to help people such as yourselfs and if you are unable to work i've been led to believe it is stressful and frustrating.

 

[ricardo_swarez]

Read sentances? it appears to me that you cant write them my friend...

Two fine excerts from your post..

(im assuming you can read long sentaces)

i first hand that some people find it hard to get a job that they need.

Leave the smart remarks at home,this is a realy good discussion and i'd like it to continue that way without lowering the tone.

Now as for your reply, those who have kids get money from the government to help with there children, and if someone got a job at mcdonalds who had kids, that wouldnt help much with there bills but they would have more money than being on the dole, because the dole isnt alot of money and the government gives working tax credit to familys who dont earn alot but have children.

who CANT get a job.

Getting a job isnt as hard as people think it is, if you make an effort and actualy want to work, then you can get a job. If I as a student can get more than one job when I have irregular hours then others can to. The only place that getting a job would be hard would be in job black spot areas those people have every right to claim benefit. But people in my area dont, there is an abundance of jobs, the problem is they involve working and people near me dont like working.

MA12 I understand were you are coming from, but in my opinion rather than get officers specialised into areas, I would prefer a few more regular police than specialist units. So that people are safe from hate crimes like murder and rape and also theres a quicker responce to robberys and call outs. Serious crimes like these are what I would consider a priority over tax and mot's. Since the dvla are working with the police to make it super easy to tell just from your registration if you have tax/insurance/mot, I think in the future there maybe less pullings and more officers on call and on the beat.

 

[59 bhp is more than enough]

well it seems ricardo you have me beat. i apologise for insulting you its just a bit of a touchy subject thats all, it just seemed people was generalizing. i agree that it seems that there are more officers dedicated to raking money in rather than to solve crimes but in my experiance the police have been quite good in responding when they are needed. i think it all depends on the area and department of police that is there.

 

[ricardo_swarez]

Ye thats a good point actualy, since the police are run in areas by the chief constable, I imagine most forces are run quite differently. No hard feelings 59bhp is more than enough, was a realy good debate, best i've had on msc without me lowering the tone to sarcasm and insults like I usualy do! maybe this is a sign of my age

 

[Pete]

or mine lol.

I'm happy to leave it there tho if you are? I think we've exhausted pretty much all the arguements.

I just wanna add tho that, my mum works for the DWP psychology div. and policy areas and i'm in the process of joining the police as a Special.

just wanna thro this in that I found on a police specials forum i'm a member of...

 

[59 bhp is more than enough]

cool, yeah it seem that way ma12. yeah no hard feelings ricardo.

 

[G_Man]

i once got pulled over by a copper walking around the town, he was busy keeping his eye on drunk people, i was happy tootling along about 15mph obv with a loud exhaust maybe sounded a bit faster, but he pulled me over said how long have u been driving, i sed like 4 months or howeva much it was, and he went well if u keep drivin like a **** head then you wont have your liscense much longer then he walked off!! i wasnt even doin anything

 

[RIK]

my dads uncle is an ex traffic cop up in scottland(my dad and his side are scottish)

and my dad tells me some rite stuff they get up to, its untrue,like wen ther out and about they play snooker with the cars! red car,then black car,red car then pink car!!! and see which ends ther shift with the most points

this is an od story tho but i bet things like this still happen

 

[SR_Micra_Boy]

Ive heard that rumour rick, I must get a yellow car as apposed to black, lol

 

[RIK]

think whites the best option

 

[SR_Micra_Boy]

Oooooo good thinking, lol

 

[micra man]

Lol, no wonder I never got pulled when my car was white hehe. Wonder what points system they have for an orange and black car?? :S