Krian said:my family live in NZ and Oz, and they complain about it all the time.
what did they do?
Dusk said:Rik - consentual slavery exists in this country, and that is what it ammounts to - people who do the jobs we dont want to do. (we used to get the slaves to do it, now we just pay them hardly anything at all)
RIK said:i bet you dont turn your mobile off
nizzanz1 said:i fail to see the problem here, how is the uk loosing out? if they are illegal then they are not getting benefit. .
nizzanz1 said:i dont know. you mean the illegal ones?
if their paying for accomodation or providing a service then should be ok.
nizzanz1 said:i still dont see the problem. if you are saying they commit crime then they will be arrested. we have laws for people doing things that are illegal.
if you were in charge what would you do to make things better?
LOL and that is why you dont rule the country!!!!Dusk said:** They are committing a crime by just walking on our isle! **
The people who are in charge of the laws have another agenda it seems.
If I was in charge, they would be voluntary deportation, we would give them money to leave the country and go back to there homelands. (if they are not safe there, they should follow the CORRECT procedure)
well it is not realy something i have thourt about but i will!!! (just for you LOL!!)Dusk said:Thats not a very nice thing to say..!
My points are valid, benifitial, and can be backed up with facts.
If you ruled the country, what would you change then, in all seriousness...?
nizzanz1 said:i fail to see the problem here, how is the uk loosing out? if they are illegal then they are not getting benefit. if they are legal then they have a good reason to be here.
sonic said:I disagree on this point, upon passing a bike test under 21s are restricted to 33bhp for two years (soon to be made under 25s), this effectively limits them to about 100mph, what is the average 1.4l capable of reaching compared to the average 1.0l? Also, the government are trying to sneak in a new piece of legislation stating that once a rider passes his test and is limited to 33 bhp, he/she then has to take further training and a test to progress onto a more powerful machine.
Andrew said:People seem to be really good at confusing issues in arguments like this. First off, the whole argument about dealing with the big problems and ignoring "pointless" small problems is a rubbish one. Society would quickly fall apart if we did that.
It's fairly clear to see that most people's impressions of asylum seekers and immigration were gained from tabloids, where they commonly present opinion as fact.
Asylum seekers make up less that 15% of the immigrants to the UK. The rest of them all come here with skills and something to offer. The UK is very short of skilled workers in many sectors, and foreigners can fill this gap. Efforts are being made to reduce the number of asylum seekers, but statistics shows that most end up gainfully employed.
Illegal immigrants, again, aren't the benefit cheating low lifes that they are portrayed as. It's estimated that a large proportion of them work for cash in hand as labourers, bar workers, cleaners, and the like. And a recent government report about benefit fraud shows that they are less likely to commit benefit fraud than an average UK citizen.
And there aren't people in the UK to do the jobs they are taking. We have a huge number of people with useless qualifications, no skills that are in demand, but feel they are above working as cleaners etc. In the business that I work in, we don't employ people from the UK because we can pay someone from another country a lot less and they will work a lot harder and better.
Surley being paid "cash in hand" and not contributing to Income Tax and National Insurance is fraud??? :suspect:Andrew said:Illegal immigrants, again, aren't the benefit cheating low lifes that they are portrayed as. It's estimated that a large proportion of them work for cash in hand as labourers, bar workers, cleaners, and the like. And a recent government report about benefit fraud shows that they are less likely to commit benefit fraud than an average UK citizen.
Andrew said:Illegal immigrants, again, aren't the benefit cheating low lifes that they are portrayed as. It's estimated that a large proportion of them work for cash in hand as labourers, bar workers, cleaners, and the like. And a recent government report about benefit fraud shows that they are less likely to commit benefit fraud than an average UK citizen.
nizzanz1 said:all the negatives you mention rik though are no reason why they shouldnt be in our country. there just a reason why the law and management needs to be sorted out for them. there is no reason to send them back to their own countries. if they want to be here let them be here.
nizzanz1 said:all the negatives you mention rik though are no reason why they shouldnt be in our country. there just a reason why the law and management needs to be sorted out for them. there is no reason to send them back to their own countries. if they want to be here let them be here.
nizzanz1 said:thats good yes.
rj007 said:Surley being paid "cash in hand" and not contributing to Income Tax and National Insurance is fraud??? :suspect:
no..we used to have freedom of speech.untill they came over
RIK said:i would love to know where you got you %'s from as tony blair has just admitted he doesnt have a clue how many are in te u.k to start with
if we had the choice of no immagrants and to give jobs back to the "lazy" british people today,i think we would
RIK said:no..we used to have freedom of speech.untill they came over http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=294117
rlees85 said:really dont know what your trying to say, if 1.4 is too much or if limiting cc at all is not a good idea.
Andrew said:Rik, you clearly don't understand the difference between an asylum seeker, an immigrant, and an illegal immigrant. They know exactly how many immigrants there are here, and 15% of them are asylum seekers.
All the numbers with illegal immigrants are estimates, as you couldn't possibly know for sure how many are here. But bodies have taken a good guess and published the figures.
We need certain skills in the UK. We are short of doctors, nurses, engineers and many other skills. Immigrants with these skills enhance the UK.
rlees85 said:lmao how is that even racist??!
Andrew said:BNP, white supremism, the organisation called "Stormfront", nazi symbolism. Chances are the 4 people that have been detained are inciting racism or hate against some group of people. Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to do that.
RIK said:http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=57&newsID=5876
paragraph 3....even i could have a guess if he doesnt have a faintest
dont pakistan/india/africa need dctors more than us?
being a WN is not a bad thing
Andrew said:Ok, let me spell this out. They do not know for sure how many ILLEGAL immigrants there are. They have estimates. You could never know how many are here, but people who know what they are doing can estimate it.
They know how many immigrants (that means legal immigrants) are here.
Those countries may well need doctors more than us, but we still need them, and pay a decent wage in a first world country. I know where I would rather work.
Being white nationalist is just a nice term for a racist.
Craig said:What does more damage if you stack it, a car or a bike?
I say 1l for a year is a good idea.
RIK said:you dont need to spell anything out
we do not need them at all...they need us!
Andrew said:Being white nationalist is just a nice term for a racist.
sonic said:An Indian doctor saved my leg and life after a bad accident, it was also an Indian doctor that operated on a malignent tumour my mother had thus saving her life, I would say that we needed them at the time.