I don't think they do that's why they are harder to remap with motec ecu which is yours am guessing?Can anyone tell me if k11 coilpacks have a built in ignitor? Need to know for megasquirt setup. Thanks
must be built in[q uote="Dinky DK, post: 663042, member: 18004"]Yea my ecu is motronic, shouldnt make a difference to tuning, just that ms puts out a 5v signal to each coil so ignitor is required. If they dont have an ignitor then the motronic ecu must have it built in
U can lend mines, am sure someone can helpIt should be easy enough to find out by checking the resistance across the the input and earth pins but my multimeter aint workin atm n I cant afford a new one . I know someone on here put an ms inside a hollow motronic ecu n kept standard coilpacks but havent had any replies from them on their posts. So am at a bit of a loss
U can lend mines, am sure someone can help
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Am in SheffieldCheers pall where you based? Il get there eventualy lol. Unfortunately as with everything micra were in the dark untill you experiment or someone else has done it befor that you can shamelessly copy lol.
you will probably need to scope the signals dinky
Have u checked the Micra Haynes that should show u wiring diagramIm not sure I think there logic level outputs (5v) like the MS2extra im looking at
That's how I looked for wiring my gti maf in worked for meUsed the service manual, shows 12v constant, earth and a switched input from the ecu. Dosent state voltage tho. Will check the diagnosis section for clues ie voltage or resistance. ( dunno why I didnt think of that before lol)
which is why you need to scope it imoUsed the service manual, shows 12v constant, earth and a switched input from the ecu. Dosent state voltage tho. Will check the diagnosis section for clues ie voltage or resistance. ( dunno why I didnt think of that before lol)
i guess so, i think you will still need to determine what wave type they are triggered by thoFound this in the service manual. Is a power transistor the same thing as an ignitor?
Only way is on multi meter, Manual might show up Diffrent when using manual bookFound this in the service manual. Is a power transistor the same thing as an ignitor?
True trueOnly way is on multi meter, Manual might show up Diffrent when using manual book
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But if u go mega squirt u can get the extra bit to control the ecu and timing ingtionDelved a little deeper n found this. Means the transistors are built in to the ecu not the coil pack so il need an ignition module. Extraefi sell a ms2 with it built in I beleive but its not cheap n only comes prebuilt
Na both were coilpack manual matethere,s a power transistor in the dizzy on the pre-coilpack models eh, was that previous file from the pre-coilpack diags ?
But if u go mega squirt u can get the extra bit to control the ecu and timing ingtion
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ok but saying that u don't even need mega squirt ? All u need is a standerd ecu, and one that is remapped think I know someone tunes the motec ecu u have lot cheap and no wiring needed think againThats the plan mate. Megasquirt ms2 extra for sequential injection n spark. Wanna make a plug n play loom so I can go back standard ecu at a later date if I need to
emanage might be an alternative dinky ?
Ok is it 1.0 or 1.3 . 1.4Emanage is still piggy back tho isnt it? @Ed said piggys dont work well on this ecu at all. And he cant remap the standard ecu to the extent im going to need for my project.
1.0 other options are 1.0 dizzy engine and ecu1.0l mate but gunna be boosted around 12psi hopefully
@Dinky DK if you message ed at fusion motorsport he has fitted omex standalone to coilpack k11s he should know
But can ed not tell you if they a have and ignitor built in
I know how u mean plug and play won't be easy on coil packProblem there is swapping the entire engine, loom and ecu. Want to keep everything as standard as possible. Even down to putting the MS in to a spare motronic ecu case. Then it will be plug n play n motronic can go back in as n when I get rid of the car
Easy option is 1.0 dizzy engine 80 poundsFound out they dont. Ignitor is built in to the motronic ecu. Seems I have a few options. Bosch 211 ignition module at $140. Quadspark module £89. Or maybe... four dizzy type ignitors from a scrappy wired up to suit? I think the later may be an option? Also enquiring as to wether the drivers on the MS2EXTRA board can be upgraded to BIP373s to put out the 12v. Apparently thats the standard driver bosch put in most of there ecus so it should work ok in theory lol
On a Micra nistune all day long,Sounds good but ms will work out arround the same price, wont have to faf around swapping engines and ms seems more flexible than nistune. Plus going from sequential COP to a dizzy seems like a big backwards step. Just means a little more research is nessesary
that's a fair choice own options am guessing, wiring u will have to use Micra manual and find all the wirings and ms wiring up, good choice stillI get ya point I just prefer the idea of stayin coil pack. Thats how it was made, thats how it should stay imho. If you like dizzy then great but ms will give me more options for future develop ie maf/map blending etc. Boost controller built in also a bonus . Also I can upgrade to the CGA13DE later if I choose to
Good start am happy your on the way of the coil pack tuning and getting all the bits u needSo found out today that Megasquirt 2Extra can run direct coil packs (without ignitors) if you order the following through diyautotune: MOD_2357IGN4: Quad Ignition Outputs through BIP373 coil drivers.
This will mean I just need to wire the ecu up to the motronic wiring n the tuning can begin
Good start am happy your on the way of the coil pack tuning and getting all the bits u need
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No problem mateThanks pal I appreciate it