CG13 with CG10 gearbox

[hoodedreeper]

Has anyone ran a 1.3 (CG13) with a 1.0 (CG10) gear box?

I know the lower end will be quicker acceleration and i know that the top end is pants. Just an idea im considering

 

[frank]

which 1.0 g/box have you in mind hooded ?

 

[Manny]

i have it but isnt the facelift 1.0 gear box as heavy as the 1.3?

 

[hoodedreeper]

Im not sure...thats why im asking lol Was mainly gonna do it for the acceleration

 

[mikey]

I've got the old 1.0 g/box and flywheel on my 1.3 engine just now...it is quite quick when the wheels aren't spinning!

 

[hoodedreeper]

Is this safe to do? I'd rather forget the idea if its gonna cause problems in the future

 

[frank]

the facelift 1.0 box is the same as all the 1.3,s hooded (RS5F31) but with a lower diff ratio (and the p/f 1.0 box is the lighter k10 derived one)

 

[hoodedreeper]

so the CG10 box is the same weight etc but with different ratios? Hmm...looks like i'll be looking out for a CG10 gearbox

 

[frank]

Hmm...looks like i'll be looking out for a CG10 gearbox

and the f/l 1.0 flywheel if you want a bit more throttle response

 

[george]

i have just done this (1.3 with 1.0 box) and it works rly well! excellent up hills and way better accelleration!

 

[hoodedreeper]

Luckily i dont do too much motorway driving only to car shows. How affected is top end?

 

[Manny]

so the CG10 box is the same weight etc but with different ratios? Hmm...looks like i'll be looking out for a CG10 gearbox

but the cg13 will be better because it will rev a little higher. you want to need as quick as 1.0. this is only good for pre 98

 

[frank]

Luckily i dont do too much motorway driving only to car shows. How affected is top end?

you,ll have the same rpm/mph as a 1.0 :grinning:

 

[Manny]

you might aswell leave it as it is if i was you.

 

[hoodedreeper]

I dreaded driving my old K11 cos it was so slow....sounds like this will be a major restriction! Hm...still trying to think of ways to be quicker acceleration!

Quick question regarding Cams...do i have to do anything else if i fit cams? Or can i fit them and leave it? i.e no remap etc

 

[frank]

I dreaded driving my old K11 cos it was so slow....sounds like this will be a major restriction! Hm...still trying to think of ways to be quicker acceleration!

Quick question regarding Cams...do i have to do anything else if i fit cams? Or can i fit them and leave it? i.e no remap etc

you,ll have better acceleration obviously, but you will be reving 3000 @ 65mph instead of 70mph or whatever
and what cams have you in mind ?

 

[hoodedreeper]

http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams/www/product.php?pid=NISMICBP270

 

[frank]

http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams/www/product.php?pid=NISMICBP270

i think they would be quite tame personally hooded, i have some of their 272 deg "ultimates" which are pretty good for a daily (but the re-profiles need special £££ shims tho eh )

 

[Manny]

hooded get a lightened flywheel that will give you quicker accelaration heres a taster.

 

[hoodedreeper]

I know this topic is like 10 months old but im now coming upto the point of doing this...

Question:

Are the drive shafts the same size? Is it a direct fit and no other parts needs replacing?

 

[frank]

I know this topic is like 10 months old but im now coming upto the point of doing this...

Question:

Are the drive shafts the same size? Is it a direct fit and no other parts needs replacing?

yes hooded, pre-coilpack facelift g/boxes are direct fit :grinning:

 

[r-reg-sr]

cracking box !!!
but quiker waring of bits

 

[hoodedreeper]

what about a pre-facelift g/box with my facelift engine?

 

[frank]

what about a pre-facelift g/box with my facelift engine?

1.3 will fit, but p/f/l 1.0 wont tho

 

[Grevs]

does the ma10 box fit any k11 engine

 

[will930]

interesting thread but hooded im doing this next month and ill let you know how it all goes!

 

[hoodedreeper]

I mean a pre 98 gear box with my 98-02 engine?

 

[frank]

does the ma10 box fit any k11 engine

nef1000 fitted one a while back (he had to cut-n-shut the gearchange rod, the thread is in here somewhere)

 

[hoodedreeper]

Just checked and the CG10 gearbox i'm getting is pre 98. Need confirmation this will fit my '99 (non coil pack) engine before i buy it

 

[frank]

Just checked and the CG10 gearbox i'm getting is pre 98. Need confirmation this will fit my '99 (non coil pack) engine before i buy it

it,ll fit the engine, but its an RS5F41 which has the smaller shafts, f/w, clutch, mounts and rods

 

[Grevs]

nef1000 fitted one a while back (he had to cut-n-shut the gearchange rod, the thread is in here somewhere)

cant find it :laugh:

I wonder being a 4 speed would it be better acceleration or jus match the 5 speed except for 5th of course

 

[frank]

cant find it :laugh:

no, nor could i (the search function on here sucks :suspect
he had to drill the bellhousing holes out about 1mm, and the gearchange rod was 1/2 k10 and 1/2 k11 lol

 

[Grevs]

oh i see :laugh:

cant see it being worth the bother

 

[hoodedreeper]

Luckily ive managed to source a 1.0 gearbox from a '99 so will be direct fit. Just hope the flywheel fits that g/box

 

[hoodedreeper]

Just now collected my CG10 gear box and just had a brain wave. Will the speedo cable need to be changed to a 1.0 one?

 

[frank]

Just now collected my CG10 gear box and just had a brain wave. Will the speedo cable need to be changed to a 1.0 one?

its driven by the crownwheel (which turns at the same speed as the driveshafts ) so the gearing is irrelevant

 

[hoodedreeper]

Frank to the rescue! Thanks for the quick reply saves me having to look for a new cable tomorrow at work

 

[markbognor]

A smaller diameter wheel and tyre combination will give you what is essentially a reduced final drive ratio - and better accelleration - up to the point you run out of revs, for when you want to play with accelerating fast - tall tyres for when you go on those long drives.

I might be making it up but mine feels quicker with the small tyres, and I'm certainly seem to be using more revs at motoway speeds. I haven't had the noticable drop in economy that I was expecting though. I suppose because although the engine is turning faster - its working less hard???

 

[hoodedreeper]

Popped down to H&S Performance today to get the gearbox,flywheel and clutch fitted. Finally got the gearbox off and sat it next to the new one,and noticed its completely different! I'll let the photos do the explaining: (top photos is my current gearbox,photo below will be of the new one)

 

[hoodedreeper]

Flywheel is nicely lightened:

Checked the flywheel:

Old Flywheel & New Clutch:

New Flywheel & New Clutch:

uh-oh! Clutch doesnt fit! You can see it doesnt line up and it over-laps the holes...seems like the new Flywheel needs a smaller clutch?!

Tried it on the Old Gearbox:

Fitted a treat! Tried it on the new gearbox:

It just spins on the spline!

SO now i have a gearbox,flywheel AND clutch that are no good to me! The new flywheel seems to fit the new gearbox...but the clutch is wrong. But then again,the gearbox doesnt fit.

I wasnt a happy bunny....

 

[frank]

this has been covered many many times HR, the pre face 1.0 has a totally different f/w, clutch, g/box setup

 

[hoodedreeper]

K6PFS told me the gearbox came off a '99 as i didnt want the hassle of getting a pre-facelift and it wouldnt fit. Unless he gave me the wrong one as he had 2x CG10 boxes

 

[r-reg-sr]

W-T-"?
dam man wahts going on

 

[frank]

here,s a fidanza f/w and clutch for £100 hooded :grinning: (same as baguete,s i believe)
http://www.almeraownersclub.com/threads/39081-Fidanza-flywheel-amp-clutch-ga16-14

 

[hoodedreeper]

I need to log in Where is it based?

 

[frank]

located in cornwall mate :grinning:

 

[frank]

and another guy in kidderminster is having some lightened
http://www.almeraownersclub.com/threads/39077-light-weight-flywheel-ga16

 

[hoodedreeper]

i live the other side of the UK so getting it would be a problem lol

 

[Scott]

Get them posted? shouldnt be any more than a tenner i would think.

 

[hoodedreeper]

Its finding the right gearbox i'm more concerned about at the moment Stani said the flywheel should fit both?