Speeding Ticket wait...
- Thread starter rlees85
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goldstar0011
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Thats what I hear too, but how do we get confirmed?
Alienfish360
Awesome Dawson
Don't bank on it though, it may be cheaper to just take the points if it's later than go through the hassle of solicitors, courts, possibly losing and costing you court fees too
Alienfish360
Awesome Dawson
I doubt it would come now though
goldstar0011
Ex. Club Member
If you haven't got it then you should be ok, I stupidly over took someone as they were going through a camers, I thought I was done for!
I heard it can arrive within a month after that your ok
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entirelyconfused
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Yeah I thought they had a month to send it.
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The Mad Hatter
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It's 14 days, but there is a period of grace if it is a company car.
The logic behind the 14 days is that the registered keeper can not be expected to remember longer than that who was driving the vehicle at the time.
If you receive a ticket after the 14 days you can contest it in the magistrates court and they WILL have to dismiss the case. You don't need a solicitor-as long as you can stand up and speak for yourself you'll be fine.
Have a look here.
www.pepipoo.co.uk
The logic behind the 14 days is that the registered keeper can not be expected to remember longer than that who was driving the vehicle at the time.
If you receive a ticket after the 14 days you can contest it in the magistrates court and they WILL have to dismiss the case. You don't need a solicitor-as long as you can stand up and speak for yourself you'll be fine.
Have a look here.
www.pepipoo.co.uk
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The Mad Hatter
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You can only take this if it's offered, and it's also an admission of guilt. Why make this admission when you can totally clear your name in the courts legally?
Well if you were speeding, thats good enough proof your guilty! No point going down the denial route if you are at fault, just accept your fault and live with it.
59 bhp is more than enough
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oh please!!!!! are you saying that if you were caught speeding that you would take the punishment even if you could get away with it with a tiny little bit of effort. If you are you would be 1 in a million. obviously im not condoning speeding but if it was me i would take it as a warning to calm down. If the police cannot be bothered/are not organized enough to do there job properly by sending the letter in the time frame that THEY say then its there own fault.
wasnt it public enemy that said fight the power lol
Yeah if the letter was late etc i'd dispute that, but from the above it looked like he was saying just dispute it even if you know you are in the wrong, and the letter arrives promptly.
I've only just noticed he was responding to his initial post two above which states about the letter arriving late, so my bad for missing it
I've only just noticed he was responding to his initial post two above which states about the letter arriving late, so my bad for missing it
59 bhp is more than enough
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yeah i agree with you there, if the letter arrives on time and your at fault then theres not much you can do.
Pete
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This two week thing is rubbish. It could be laying around on someones desk for a while then get put into the system, you'll still be brought up for speeding.
If it doesn't come after a while (few months) it's probably safe to say they might not have got you or it's not been possible to put through the fpn info, and Learn from it.
If it doesn't come after a while (few months) it's probably safe to say they might not have got you or it's not been possible to put through the fpn info, and Learn from it.
Yes it could have been laying around on a desk for a while and still be sent out to the registered keeper of the vehicle, however my understanding of the law having studied this is that unless you have A: Changed your address recently, or B: Drive a company car, or C: Been stopped by a police officer for speeding, then you cannot legally be charged with speeding if the ticket has not been received by the owner within 14 days.
Of course, that won't stop them from trying. As a police officer yourself you may have better knowledge about this than I do, but it seems pretty clear that (if challenged in court) most cases will be thrown out if the ticket has not been received by the registered keeper within 14 days of the offence, providing that there is no reasonable excuse for the delay, such as a recent change of address, company car, etc.
To rlees I'd say don't worry about it, I'm pretty sure you'll be fine so long as you own the vehicle, you were snapped by a GATSO/van, and you haven't changed address anytime recently. If you still get a ticket it will be an easy one to challenge, no solicitor need be involved if you do your homework. As said before, see pepipoo for more info.
Oh and for the people who feel you should not challenge a speeding ticket, it all depends upon individual circumstances. If your driving dangerously in a way that would enganger other road users, then you obviously deserve to get caught.
Problem is, if everybody on this website is driving every day for a period of say 30 years, for example, every single one of us will probably get a speeding ticket at some point during that period of time.
I'd say that (thankfully) a very small minority of people on here drive dangerously, however, every single one of us speed at some point. I think its too easy to just say "accept it and learn from it" because everybody here will break the speed limit by some degree and wouldn't learn a thing from a speeding ticket other than to look out for speed cameras more carefully in future!
The way that speed camera partnerships are run, I'd say that around 30% of all speeding tickets from a GATSO or van will have some kind of descrepancy on which a legal challenge could be mounted.
Pete
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I wouldn't dispute what you are saying, we are taught that the ticket stands regardless so long as the period of time is not excessive, but it's not common for beat or snt officers to give speeding tickets due to a lack of cameras or calibrated speedo's (we've got one in our semi-marked cctv van so be careful ). We'd tend to go straight for the jugular and issue an anti-social notice on the car if it's being driven like a ####.
). We'd tend to go straight for the jugular and issue an anti-social notice on the car if it's being driven like a ####.I wouldn't dispute what you are saying, we are taught that the ticket stands regardless so long as the period of time is not excessive, but it's not common for beat or snt officers to give speeding tickets due to a lack of cameras or calibrated spedo's (we've got one in our semi-marked cctv van so be careful
I think thats a much better way of doing things though. If the car is being driven like a prat then the driver will obviously deserve everything they get from the police and an officer can differentiate far better than a camera can.
There should be a lot more rescources available to officers to catch dangerous drivers (such as more camera cars and better/more widly available speed detection devices actually with the officers themselves, as you said) and less reliance on "dumb" technology like GATSOS and the speed camera partnerships, etc. I actually know a fair few former police officers (I'm from a family of policemen
) who seem to share this view point.Whats interesting though is that the former officers I know seem to see the motorway/traffic division as pretty much a law unto themselves, so I'm not totally sure how much input the ordinary beat officer would actually have on this issue anyway.
Just out of interest, are you in the specials or are you a "full time" officer Pete? Reason I ask is I see something in your signature about you being a building surveyor too. My Dad was in the specials for a while and I may be interested in doing so myself at some point. Its surprising how much you can learn just from doing that.
Pete
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I am a proud (to be) member of the South Yorkshire Special Constabulary, yes.
In responce to your Q about how much us beat officers get an input on, speak to or even use the same radio channel, the answer is: NONE. Our Road Policing Group keep themselves to themselves, they use their own radio channel (which we can listen to) and tend to get slated due to their ability to be unavailable when REALLY needed.
TBH from our point of view, speed is bad, but it's not as bad as say:driving like an idiot, or driving without insurance or driving other than in accordance with your licence. Now a bobby in a car would normally stop someone based on their manner of driving, their speed, or something not quite right with the situation, only then could the others be detected. Now speed could be linked to all of those offences, but a gatso doesn't know if someones OPL, or is driving without supervision or if the person is going to speed up away from the camera and run some poor little kid over.
But then again niether would a bobby, they'd be sat back at the nick filling out forms.
In responce to your Q about how much us beat officers get an input on, speak to or even use the same radio channel, the answer is: NONE. Our Road Policing Group keep themselves to themselves, they use their own radio channel (which we can listen to) and tend to get slated due to their ability to be unavailable when REALLY needed.
TBH from our point of view, speed is bad, but it's not as bad as say:driving like an idiot, or driving without insurance or driving other than in accordance with your licence. Now a bobby in a car would normally stop someone based on their manner of driving, their speed, or something not quite right with the situation, only then could the others be detected. Now speed could be linked to all of those offences, but a gatso doesn't know if someones OPL, or is driving without supervision or if the person is going to speed up away from the camera and run some poor little kid over.
But then again niether would a bobby, they'd be sat back at the nick filling out forms.
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The Mad Hatter
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But if it's the law, then why not? If there is a loophole to be exploited and Parliament have given you this get out clause, then go for it. Blame the dodgy drafting of legislation, not the person who takes advantage of it.
It's like the police moaning when people are acquitted on technicalities after their inability to follow procedure. If you don't do your job properly, don't moan when someone is acquitted because you haven't cautioned them, or your equipment for measuring speed is inaccurate.
People seem to forget in this country a cornerstone of our justice system is innocent until proven guilty!
RaptorRVL
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Damn you get it quite fast then (the ticket). Around here it can take a looong time. But then again we can always send a letter we don't agree and then it's going to be 'looked at'. And eventually one can go to court and talk with the judge personally. Usually resulting in a lower fine or keeping the same one
Not that this helps in any way with the original question, but that one was already answered I think.
Not that this helps in any way with the original question, but that one was already answered I think.
