hello all / I have spent some time checking out all your suggestions with no luck / but I have found something / I have two relays in the engine bay close to the fuse box / both are blue / they are fitted into a holder that would take 6 relays / the second relay in has a permanent 12v supply on one of the coil pins / this is the same as my own car and it gets this supply from fuse 25 in the drivers side fuse box / when I turn the ignition key in my own car to the position where the dash lights come on this relay energises / on the donor car it does not / I have traced the wire from the relay and it goes to the computer / this wire needs to be switched to earth to operate the relay so either the computer has a fault or whatever operates the computer is not doing so / I have tried two computers with correct key / what is the best way to check for a fault code on this car / 2002 k11 / i need to get the car stripped so i am thinking of removing the engine and setting it up in the garage with just what i need to run it / that way i might just clear the fault / if anybody can tell me the least items i need to do this please do so / as i have said in the past i live on an island and the elec. supply is sometimes down / some people generate their elec. from the wind but i have a generator with no engine so if i can get this going it could be used for that until i need to put it in my car / thank you all / william